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hello and welcome to the show this is

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Martin Willis your host and our guest

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tonight is a repeat repeat guest

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Klaus von from Sweden I always enjoy our

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discussion and I'm sure you will as well

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and we're going to be talking about all

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kinds of interesting topics tonight and

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class is chairman of our for the

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archives of the unexplained otherwise

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known as a fu we're gonna be talking

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about that

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he's also the international director of

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UFO Sweden among many other hats that he

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wears class will be coming up in just a

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few few minutes here I do want to thank

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everyone for helping out and supporting

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the show anyone can do that you can see

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our patreon banner over at our website

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at podcast UFO comm and while you're

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there check out our blog this week from

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charles lear and this week's blog is

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called ufos in the 21st century

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it's a great one another great blog that

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I forgot to mention last week is titled

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UFOs basement ultra terrestrials or what

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the Strange Case of woodrow derenberger

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and strange and and and and and and and

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and and and and and and and and and

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we're getting some feedback here hmm

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that was that was strange I'm not sure

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where the feedback is coming from

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anyway yeah it sounded great actually so

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that is a really interesting case I was

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saying and there's an audio interview so

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check that out that happened up back in

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1966 he was interviewed I think the next

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day and so that clip is up there too in

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that blog I've mentioned several times

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over the last several years that

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Australia is well actually per capita is

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our number one

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there to this show and I want to give a

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shout out to all those people in

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Australia and let let you know that we

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are thinking about you and it's a

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terrible these bushfires out there feel

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so bad for all the people that are

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misplaced and all the poor animals out

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there it's really terrible so hang in

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there Australia also in the news there's

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a lot of people writing me about the

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Navy you know seems like every week he

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gets something someone's writing me

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about the Navy and the headlines that

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were sent out this week

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top secret UFO FILES could gravely

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damaged US national security if released

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the Navy says and it does seem like the

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Navy has been very outspoken about the

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UFO topic these days and that's almost

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as mysterious as UFOs themselves and I'm

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wondering what the heck via the agenda

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is if any if the Navy has an agenda it's

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it's interesting and we will know

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eventually that's all I can say but for

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now it's just a mystery and I think it's

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time to pull in our guest class fond

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welcome to the show Thank You Milton I'm

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glad to be back

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yes and it's midnight over there so I

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really appreciate you staying up late

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for us over here in the East Coast oh

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not a problem it's a dark and the wintry

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but no snow here in Sweden at all oh

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yeah you know a lot of people been

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writing me and saying oh you poor thing

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you got all this snow I'm right on the

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coast so I right now we just have a

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little dusting and that's it we've been

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really lucky really lucky this year so

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but so class can you for the person that

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I think was over a year ago you were on

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last time but for the person that is

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unaware of your you know who you are

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basically can you give them your

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background in kind of a nutshell because

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a lot of people have heard you a number

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times yeah I've been around as Jeff

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ologist since 1974 when I started a

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small the UFO society in my home

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town in in the south of Sweden and since

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then I spent nearly every day a couple

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of hours researching UFO cases and I am

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interested in the topic because I really

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want to know the answer I haven't told

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the answers so I want to know what

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people sees in the sky and I tried to

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help people to identify what they see in

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the skies but what is left

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the real UFOs that is of course the

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thing that gets me ticking and I've been

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a chairman for UFO Sweden for many many

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years but since a couple of years back

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we decided that some younger person than

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me should take take over and on our Vice

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Chairman and I work a lot with

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international contacts in UFO Sweden

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which is very important and I also of

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course chairman for archives for the

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unexplained which is this huge archive

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we run yes the archive that it's really

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amazing you and I have talked before

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about I think you would tell me your

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your shelves the the shelf space you

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have of ufo-related books is there's

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none other in the world right now it's

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the largest in the world really it's

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nothing to compare with we started in

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1973 in one locality in the south of

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Sweden and now we have 14 localities in

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the same area in norrköping which is 500

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square meters 600 square yards and shelf

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capacity of three kilometers which is

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nearly five miles so yeah we start with

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one book shelf and now we have several

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and the library is 55,000 books and

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80,000 magazines more than 50,000 case

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of documents and newspaper clippings

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recording some yeah

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TV programs paraphernalia we collect

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everything regarding the unknown from

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UFOs to ghosts and can is is that open

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to the public like can can someone come

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in and do some research there themselves

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if you are not in your door we can help

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you but we can also help you through

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internet and through a special download

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site that we have we publishes magazines

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that we are scanning all the time

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which we have the clearance from the

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copyright holder we publish them on our

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download sites you can go there but you

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can email us and also for help and tell

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you if you don't se we are we are there

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for everyone really who is interested in

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the topic I really like visuals and this

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I'm gonna hold up your book here let's

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see I think I can do that here hang on

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well I had a screen where I could just

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pull in on this but I not seeing where

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it is let's try this okay all right so

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it's called just trying to adjust it

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there files of the unexplained the the

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hidden history of the Forgotten

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photographs from the world of the

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unknown and it's a great I love this

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book thank you for sending it by the way

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but there's so many wonderful graphics

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in this all the way through and all the

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way up to modern times you have quite a

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variety go to variety in there and what

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is your what is the earliest book you

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have on the shelf that talks about UFOs

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well if you go back to the oldest book

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at all it's from the 1600s about

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Nostradamus but we have of course books

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from charles fort he surly books from

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the early 1900's which probably the

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oldest real UFO books but we go further

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back we have books that are older as

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well when enigmas or mysteries in

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disguise did not have any label they

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were just called meteors which is

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things that you could see in this guy's

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so they have is around fifty five

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thousand books of course many of them

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are oldest but lots of them are or newer

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worlds as well and what about the

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languages do you have them in multiple

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languages yeah of course most of them

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are in English but we have a very large

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collection in Russia we had a guy from

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Tokyo coming to us looking through our

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Japanese collections who stayed for a

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couple of days we have really any

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language that we can collect lots of

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French books and of course every

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European language we can find well

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interesting and so where do you get

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where do you get all this material

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anyway yeah we get there from all over

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the world a lot come from Great Britain

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and the Nordic countries of course but

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also the rest of Europe and the US and

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magazines we sell them through our shop

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AFU shop so we can get money and we can

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also help researchers from all over the

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world to get titles that they cannot

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find on Amazon or or anywhere else

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really we have so many hard to find

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books and we have maybe multiple copies

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of them so we can help researchers with

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them I remember the last time we talked

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in this baffles me it's that your your

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country basically takes this topic

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seriously or you you get very little

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ridicule if any is that right yeah

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that's right that's right they still

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write and it's very much up to you if

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for Sweden and our work I should say

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because we have always been treated very

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good from the authorities but maybe not

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always but the last 30 years or

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something like that because we have

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shown them that we are a serious partner

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that we don't have the answers we are

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not speculating we we want to know what

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you of us are and of course they want as

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well so we have now copies over I think

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every single uniform

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or that passed through the Swedish

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defense authorities since the early

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nineteen hundreds of till a couple of

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years back and that is a very very good

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cooperation Wow

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and that includes the ghost rockets

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absolutely it includes the ghost Flyers

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from the 1930s and and the ghost rockets

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the ghost flies are not that very well

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known as to ghost rockets but just a

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couple of weeks ago we got all the

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printed papers from the Swedish war

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archives regarding the ghost fliers

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which was an early UFO phenomenon

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scanned

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pages of reports and investigations into

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this early 1930s phenomenon that really

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baffled the Swedish military for many

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years Wow because you know I mean for

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the most part people will talk about you

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know the modern UFO era is 1947 Roswell

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on but there was up and then of course

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the were the Foo Fighters that people

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were seeing during World War two but not

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not like what you seem to be talking

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about can you go into more detail about

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you said there were 5000 scans so can

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you go into more detail about what

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people thought they were seeing yeah I

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mean it was during a couple of years in

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the middle of the 1930s that people saw

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first lights in the sky which I mean

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people do nowadays as well but they were

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flying in very strange patterns and over

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areas that were controlled by the

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military but they also saw what they

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thought were aircraft aircraft coming

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flying over the north and part northern

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and their aircraft chasing this ghost

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flyer but they never caught him or or

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were even near him

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some of them his aircraft one of them at

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least crashed so it was up under

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parliamentary discussion and they were

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really really interested in in

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pinpointing which country they thought

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about the Germans maybe the Russians or

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did those was flyovers over Sweden and

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intrusions over Sweden but they never

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really got the hang of it

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most of the observations were of course

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misinterpretations as always some of

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them are still a little strange Wow and

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then I always loved talking about the

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ghost rockets 1946 is that is that when

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that was happened - yeah yeah and for

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the person that's not from and they

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landed and part of them landed in lakes

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which is another mystery for the person

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that's unfamiliar with the ghost rockets

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can you get a little bit into that topic

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please to me the ghost raucous is the

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most interesting UFO phenomenon ever I

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think because they were seen during 1946

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around May until December of that year

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and as you said many of those rockets

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they they looked like cigars with or

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without small wings and some of them

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were crashing into lakes and the

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interesting thing was that every one

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that did crash always crashed into a

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lake and it was nearly always around

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eleven twelve o'clock in the middle of

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the day broad daylight and also sunshine

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and you could see the sun shining on the

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hull of those Rockets you can hear them

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you can see the water column when they

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were crashing and you can also hear the

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crash and even though the military bent

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thousands of hours trying to find a

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solution they never did I thought they

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were the Russians of

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course but I don't think it was that

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neither the military Corps they could

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never prove that there were any in the

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country that were driving those rockets

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and what did they report as far as the

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sound what were they hearing for a sound

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well they were hearing like a motor like

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an engine they were really looking like

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like cigar shaped objects they were very

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much like the V bombs that Nazi Germany

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used during the last years of the Second

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World War but compared to the V bombs

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when they crashed the V bombs left

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debris maybe thousands of kilos a couple

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of tons of debris but those ghost rock

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is never left anything not not not a

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trace after them so even though they

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look like Rockets they didn't behave

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like Rockets and I didn't were

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identified as Rockets either didn't you

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maybe maybe thinking of something else

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but didn't someone see one and more

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recently than 1946 like a couple or

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something that was hiking you know we

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have multiple observations of the 1946

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quite a few but the world that you are

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thinking about happened in 1980 in the

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in summer 1980 when a couple were out

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hiking up in the very north of Sweden it

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was in a national park called nudists

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natural park and they were walking home

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back to their car which was a couple of

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hours down the road and they stopped to

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take a break when they were standing

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there at the end of this lake like in a

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mile they heard strange sound from the

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south and I looked up and I saw this is

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a small and missile-like object with the

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protrusions on the both of the side like

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wings or or tanks whatever it was flying

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over them just hundred George up in the

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air and it passed over them and they

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could see

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it's flying down towards the lake and

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suddenly reverse 180 degrees flying back

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to watch them and then they were really

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scared but I thought this will hit us

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but instead of hitting them the ghost

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rocket landed with a splash on the lake

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and started sinking and they could see

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it sinking and bubbles of air coming up

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and when it vanished they take really

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tried to get from from this place as

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fast as they could because they were

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thinking it could it could explode and

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they went back to the core couple of

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hours to the west and drew down to

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stockholm and alerted the military or

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started an investigation into this and

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did they actually go into the lake

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itself to see if they could find

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anything no I it's quite impossible to

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do that I mean it was a couple of

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hundred yards out into the lake and it's

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not easy it's a very cold water and they

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were scared and the military didn't he

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go there either they went they went out

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with an helicopter and and looked over

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the lake and and they landed and tried

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to find what it was but they never dived

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into the lake I said we did yeah we did

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in the 2012 you did Oh in that

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particular link yeah we we went there

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with the other with the witnesses in

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2012 and brought with us two criminal

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investigators from Karuna or also by

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divers and we we mapped the seafloor

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with the sonar and we found some

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interesting spots around that the spot

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where the the witnesses had pointed out

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the learning and the divers went down

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but what they found was that it was four

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meters of mud and whatever it was that a

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Londonderry it must have sunk underneath

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this mud so he went back two years later

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2014

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with another equipment that could see

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through the mud and at that point we did

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see something

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there resting there in the mud but if

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that's as far as it went you never never

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drove down yeah

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is it real or anything this top deep

402
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it's only four yards deep and the four

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yards with with mud but it's very

404
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difficult to go down into the mud it's

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very dangerous

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yeah so we would go back again with

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another instrument next winter we will

408
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be there with snow mobiles on the ice so

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drive this instrument that is is a

410
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seeing in three dimensions and it will

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it will paint this object and we will

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see if it's an reindeer if it is stone

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or fair maybe it's a ghost rocket that

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will give us the answer Wow well yeah

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that's really something oh let's let's

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shift gears and get back to the AAF you

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because um you and I had a quick

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conversation you know through email

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about how I mentioned something about

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Billy Meyers photographs selling at

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Sotheby's for over twenty thousand

422
00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:32,899
dollars which is really amazing and what

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what your you know what is your thought

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on that I mean how can something like

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that happen when you know most people

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know it's a hoax or yeah I mean I know

427
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I'm gonna probably get a little bit of

428
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mail from saying that but but most

429
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:53,419
people do believe that Billy Meyer was

430
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hoaxing even though you know he he's

431
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handy captain and all that but even from

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the 1960s you know there's a lot of

433
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signs of that I mean we sent an

434
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investigator to Switzerland in the 19

435
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late 1970s early 1980s I think it was

436
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the early 1980s in mustardy to interview

437
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billy mayer to investigate the case it

438
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:20,840
was elusive he kept away from our

439
00:22:25,870 --> 00:22:23,090
investigator but we were able to find

440
00:22:28,450 --> 00:22:25,880
other people and I also find

441
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:28,460
a lot of faces that show that he had

442
00:22:36,730 --> 00:22:31,760
manufactured his pictures of course but

443
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I mean 17 of his pictures

444
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I mean it's prints it's not even the

445
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negatives

446
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I mean it's prints sold for twenty four

447
00:22:47,770 --> 00:22:45,590
thousand dollars which is amazing of

448
00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:47,780
course it's I mean we have loads of

449
00:22:52,900 --> 00:22:50,110
prints from Billy Mayer the day of you

450
00:22:56,529 --> 00:22:52,910
and the prints that was sold at

451
00:23:00,250 --> 00:22:56,539
Sotheby's are not even first-generation

452
00:23:02,980 --> 00:23:00,260
prints some of them so I don't know who

453
00:23:04,690 --> 00:23:02,990
really bought it but we want to believe

454
00:23:08,740 --> 00:23:04,700
you know they want you want to believe

455
00:23:11,230 --> 00:23:08,750
poster one of those answers or the one

456
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on the we want to believe poster and

457
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that is what sold and of course I see I

458
00:23:20,350 --> 00:23:17,750
never I never so it's it's yeah it's pop

459
00:23:22,779 --> 00:23:20,360
culture thing kind of thing advancing it

460
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yeah which is important to tell that

461
00:23:27,370 --> 00:23:25,429
those pictures came from the wendell

462
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stevens collection and when the stevens

463
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collection were or scattered after his

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passing away and he passed away in 2010

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and we recently were able to acquire at

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least half of his collection which is

467
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one thousand kilos two thousand two

468
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hundred pounds with the help of jordan

469
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piece from from road valley metaphysical

470
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library in oregon

471
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I met with Jordan in California last

472
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summer and we had an agreement

473
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and he he sent all this stuff to Sweden

474
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and AFU so we now have thousands and

475
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thousands and thousands of mails and I

476
00:24:16,779 --> 00:24:14,750
mean not emails but letters that arrived

477
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and were sent to wendell stevens and

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also loads of material regarding the

479
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billy mayer case that had never been

480
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published and never been read by anyone

481
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outside the wendell stevens

482
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family so we are now going through all

483
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of this and trying to sort it out than

484
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to start to scan the most important

485
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parts well

486
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well I've heard I've heard about that

487
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collection now I thought

488
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I must be mixing the separate fire open

489
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minds had purchased that collection no

490
00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:48,070
that's right mine's the sold it and

491
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actually it turned out that Rogue Valley

492
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in Oregon but the other part we have

493
00:25:02,080 --> 00:24:59,570
also traced and I paid a lot of money to

494
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get that to Sweden it support with with

495
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the photos and all other pictures but

496
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:08,030
that guy we paid the money to her since

497
00:25:14,260 --> 00:25:10,570
Santana teen to us yet so maybe he just

498
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sits on the money 'red oh no no never

499
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:16,910
fulfill his agreement with us so that

500
00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:19,640
that is a problem we really want to fall

501
00:25:24,610 --> 00:25:23,240
files but they of you now we're we have

502
00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:24,620
to go ahead to break here in just a

503
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minute but who funds these purchases for

504
00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:34,040
all your materials yeah I mean it's a

505
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:36,980
good question it's us it's real thirty

506
00:25:43,210 --> 00:25:40,400
people who are putting between five US

507
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:43,220
dollars and one hundred US dollars every

508
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:47,290
month into a of you and we are also

509
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:52,910
selling through a few shop but it's the

510
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:55,850
business that costs us money to do III

511
00:26:00,310 --> 00:25:57,650
don't earn a nickel from this of course

512
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I pay a load so money every year to keep

513
00:26:07,420 --> 00:26:03,860
a of you afloat and we do all of us we

514
00:26:10,180 --> 00:26:07,430
have four people on this board and we

515
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:10,190
have a couple of guys around the world

516
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:12,110
on a device or a board as well that

517
00:26:16,660 --> 00:26:14,630
helps us with this but we really need

518
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:16,670
more people in thirty Suites it's only

519
00:26:22,750 --> 00:26:21,110
one from outside Sweden that is helping

520
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:22,760
us but loads of people are asking for

521
00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:27,410
our help so yeah you know it's a

522
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,500
difficult task but we love to do it yeah

523
00:26:34,300 --> 00:26:32,000
you know you wouldn't you wouldn't do it

524
00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:34,310
if you didn't love it alright we're

525
00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:36,200
ready to go on a break so this is Martin

526
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Willis my guest tonight is class Vaughn

527
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and hang a nail we'll be right back

528
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:49,110
okay Martin we're clear for minutes

529
00:26:58,529 --> 00:26:51,970
right for minutes okay we're still live

530
00:27:00,450 --> 00:26:58,539
on YouTube so class so well we're going

531
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:00,460
to change this subject we can jump back

532
00:27:10,860 --> 00:27:03,840
a little bit on what we're talking about

533
00:27:16,619 --> 00:27:10,870
and but as far as do you ever purchase

534
00:27:20,009 --> 00:27:16,629
material that is you'll find out later

535
00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:20,019
that it was hoaxed or or you know

536
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:22,600
purposely hoaxed has that ever happened

537
00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:25,570
has anyone kind of pulled the wool or

538
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:27,960
try to pull the wool over your eyes and

539
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:31,960
well we very seldom purchase things at

540
00:27:39,419 --> 00:27:35,850
all those what does the even stuff or

541
00:27:43,259 --> 00:27:39,429
one of the few we have paid for and we

542
00:27:46,379 --> 00:27:43,269
paid very little money for it so and

543
00:27:49,249 --> 00:27:46,389
nevertheless if we get the host thing

544
00:27:51,710 --> 00:27:49,259
and we do get pictures most of the time

545
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,720
it's part of the history it's part of

546
00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:54,159
universal history so it doesn't really

547
00:28:03,330 --> 00:27:57,460
matter we are not in it just for the

548
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:03,340
real UFOs were in it for all of the how

549
00:28:10,139 --> 00:28:07,330
society looks upon the subject yeah so

550
00:28:12,690 --> 00:28:10,149
want to show everything from from the

551
00:28:14,970 --> 00:28:12,700
louse is the baddest to the brightest

552
00:28:19,109 --> 00:28:14,980
and the best we save it all really

553
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:19,119
hoaxes and bonafide stuff I was talking

554
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:22,450
earlier at the very beginning the show

555
00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:26,710
about this I can't remember the person's

556
00:28:41,070 --> 00:28:35,769
name from the 1966 and let's see his

557
00:28:45,389 --> 00:28:41,080
name was derenberger and are you

558
00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:45,399
familiar with who he is yeah we have

559
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:49,259
stuff from from and about him if you

560
00:28:56,369 --> 00:28:53,289
yeah I'm not that versed into his case I

561
00:28:59,200 --> 00:28:56,379
should say but we have stuff that we

562
00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:59,210
have helped researchers with copies from

563
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:00,710
and I have been writing about portrait

564
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:03,890
Aaron Berger and me we are so many nice

565
00:29:10,090 --> 00:29:07,490
things from George Adamski and my first

566
00:29:13,779 --> 00:29:10,100
generation pictures we have taped

567
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:13,789
interviews with all those early 1950s

568
00:29:20,919 --> 00:29:17,330
contactees yeah like our menger and a

569
00:29:24,060 --> 00:29:20,929
few auntie Lucci and all those and those

570
00:29:27,070 --> 00:29:24,070
are unique so much of what we have is

571
00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:27,080
unique really it's only a world copy in

572
00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:30,950
the world well how about that yeah it is

573
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:35,240
an interesting segment so to speak and

574
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,289
also very much of what he was talking

575
00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:41,360
about his encounters was a lot like what

576
00:29:45,010 --> 00:29:43,460
the contactees were talking about I

577
00:29:47,950 --> 00:29:45,020
believe he said that he went to their

578
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:47,960
planet and you know on their spaceship

579
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:50,840
and all that and and they were they look

580
00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:52,370
just like us but we're a little taller

581
00:29:58,169 --> 00:29:53,960
or something like that I mean it was

582
00:30:00,669 --> 00:29:58,179
yeah but you know that that whole

583
00:30:03,399 --> 00:30:00,679
contactee movement is is really

584
00:30:06,639 --> 00:30:03,409
something and there's someone working on

585
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:06,649
a film that's related to one of them

586
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:10,490
that contacted me and is insistent that

587
00:30:17,980 --> 00:30:14,450
his his great uncle Oh whoever it is is

588
00:30:21,519 --> 00:30:17,990
100% legitimate and really did go to

589
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:21,529
Venus or whatever he did so yeah the

590
00:30:26,950 --> 00:30:23,510
stories were better be better in the

591
00:30:28,930 --> 00:30:26,960
post I mean 1950s 1960s stories or still

592
00:30:32,019 --> 00:30:28,940
very very interesting and very good but

593
00:30:33,730 --> 00:30:32,029
maybe too good sometimes at least yeah

594
00:30:36,850 --> 00:30:33,740
we're ready to go back on the air guys

595
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:36,860
okay we are ready here all right Martin

596
00:30:46,330 --> 00:30:37,760
here we go

597
00:30:48,399 --> 00:30:46,340
Martin in five four three two all right

598
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:48,409
welcome back everyone this is Martin

599
00:30:56,139 --> 00:30:52,250
Willis we're on kgr a radio and my guest

600
00:30:58,779 --> 00:30:56,149
tonight his class Swan and all the way

601
00:31:00,600 --> 00:30:58,789
from Sweden and just before we went into

602
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:00,610
the break we were talking about

603
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:03,529
basically you're kind of a self-funding

604
00:31:10,510 --> 00:31:06,710
group and it's which I find pretty

605
00:31:11,570 --> 00:31:10,520
amazing and that you know really no one

606
00:31:14,050 --> 00:31:11,580
would do this

607
00:31:16,970 --> 00:31:14,060
unless they had a passion for it I mean

608
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,980
um you know I mean someone putting in

609
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:19,200
five dollars a month is is not too much

610
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:20,580
someone putting in a hundred dollars is

611
00:31:26,630 --> 00:31:23,400
quite a bit but also it's just the fact

612
00:31:28,150 --> 00:31:26,640
that you say that you spend two hours at

613
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:28,160
least two hours a day

614
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:30,990
yeah involved in so you think about the

615
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:33,150
time involved in you know chasing this

616
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:35,490
stuff you probably have countless hours

617
00:31:44,590 --> 00:31:40,440
in total absolutely yeah and are there

618
00:31:51,530 --> 00:31:48,890
we are a few absolutely they a few and

619
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:51,540
also inside you know for Sweden that

620
00:32:00,170 --> 00:31:57,600
spent hours every day doing this so and

621
00:32:02,450 --> 00:32:00,180
that's the only way to make make this

622
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,460
move forward really if you don't deal

623
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:05,760
that we I mean we are living under an

624
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:09,390
avalanche of information coming into a

625
00:32:16,790 --> 00:32:13,440
of you every week I mean just before we

626
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:16,800
started the conversation I secured some

627
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:19,290
some books and papers from a newly

628
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:21,210
deceased number of you of a Swede and I

629
00:32:30,170 --> 00:32:24,600
got his name five hours ago I wrote to

630
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:30,180
his his wife is widowed and got

631
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:33,090
clearance to get his paper works and his

632
00:32:39,530 --> 00:32:35,490
material and I do that all the time

633
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:39,540
really I'm chasing so that this stuff

634
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:42,210
isn't lost forever which is this if we

635
00:32:48,530 --> 00:32:45,890
don't do it right right and you know I

636
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:48,540
talked with that Dave Marlar quite a bit

637
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:51,750
over here and he has you know quite a

638
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:54,210
thing going there as well and I I think

639
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:56,310
it's great that these things are you

640
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,530
know are cared for you know to pass

641
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:00,960
along to interest you know further on

642
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:04,050
down the line and I'm glad you're you're

643
00:33:09,290 --> 00:33:07,290
both doing that you mentioned earlier

644
00:33:11,660 --> 00:33:09,300
that a lot of your books or some of your

645
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:11,670
books are in Russian which i think is

646
00:33:16,790 --> 00:33:13,860
interesting the you know I I do go to

647
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:16,800
Russia I think I've talked to you before

648
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,760
when I was over there I don't know like

649
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:22,260
once a year or something like that I was

650
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:24,690
supposed to go this last winter but

651
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:25,290
there was a

652
00:33:29,450 --> 00:33:28,290
an accident as I couldn't make it over

653
00:33:34,370 --> 00:33:29,460
there supposed to be there right now

654
00:33:39,530 --> 00:33:34,380
actually but uh Oh anyway in 1993 you

655
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:39,540
went to Moscow and yeah let's talk about

656
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:40,980
that there was some type of dramatic

657
00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:44,850
situation happened well yeah we went to

658
00:33:52,100 --> 00:33:47,990
Moscow me and Russian speaking friend

659
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:52,110
birthday of you in October 1993 and what

660
00:33:57,260 --> 00:33:54,210
we didn't know at that time that when we

661
00:34:00,440 --> 00:33:57,270
landed we were the last taxi from the

662
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:00,450
airport after us tanks were rolling on

663
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,250
the same Street and the shooting were

664
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:04,500
starting at the Parliament because the

665
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:07,710
Parliament were under under siege for a

666
00:34:14,899 --> 00:34:11,850
couple of days so it was gunshots in the

667
00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:14,909
streets and there were shooting with

668
00:34:21,830 --> 00:34:19,710
those tanks on the Parliament so it was

669
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:21,840
on fire and I was standing there looking

670
00:34:27,590 --> 00:34:24,570
at this because I mean I'm a journalist

671
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:27,600
I'm working with the largest morning

672
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,050
newspaper in Sweden and I had to work of

673
00:34:35,419 --> 00:34:32,760
course when I came there and all this

674
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:35,429
shooting started it's also quite

675
00:34:38,270 --> 00:34:36,330
surrealistic

676
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:38,280
really and we were there trying to

677
00:34:44,090 --> 00:34:40,409
secure contacts with Russian authorities

678
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:44,100
and we did that but at one point we went

679
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:46,050
through the Star City where the

680
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,690
cosmonauts cosmonauts are living and it

681
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:50,220
was shouting there so we couldn't go

682
00:34:54,619 --> 00:34:51,720
there we had to go there next day when

683
00:34:58,580 --> 00:34:54,629
the shooting had stopped so eventually

684
00:35:00,500 --> 00:34:58,590
we we secured 1,100 original reports

685
00:35:03,950 --> 00:35:00,510
from from a Russian who came to us with

686
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:03,960
them and also we copied the KGB UFO

687
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:07,560
files when we were there so it was quite

688
00:35:13,250 --> 00:35:10,770
a go trip eventually and quite dramatic

689
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:13,260
absolutely Wow you can actually get into

690
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:17,490
the KGB files yeah we had a friend who

691
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:20,970
went there for us and brought the copies

692
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:25,170
back he was an editor for a Russian

693
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:29,760
rocket and air craft magazine and he

694
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:32,970
helped us with that and you know about

695
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:34,890
Russians they drink all the time and he

696
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:36,390
was also drinking all the time he

697
00:35:42,529 --> 00:35:39,180
treated us with vodka at 12 o'clock in

698
00:35:44,509 --> 00:35:42,539
and we were drunk in two hours so we

699
00:35:46,279 --> 00:35:44,519
thought we cannot do this anymore it was

700
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,289
impossible to work for us and so the

701
00:35:51,410 --> 00:35:48,180
next time I met with him I brought beer

702
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:51,420
with me which I can handle I said well

703
00:35:55,549 --> 00:35:53,700
we have our own drinks here so I think I

704
00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:55,559
will go with the beers I drank a beer um

705
00:36:01,700 --> 00:35:57,690
yeah I felt fine the rest of the day

706
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:01,710
well the doctors I'm not not joking when

707
00:36:08,809 --> 00:36:06,170
I say this at least some doctors are

708
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:08,819
over in Russia actually tell their

709
00:36:13,970 --> 00:36:11,099
patients to drink vodka

710
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:13,980
it'll-it'll you know it'll help you you

711
00:36:18,140 --> 00:36:15,900
know clear your arteries which i think

712
00:36:18,910 --> 00:36:18,150
is very interesting yeah very

713
00:36:22,130 --> 00:36:18,920
interesting

714
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:22,140
there was a AB the average lifespan is I

715
00:36:27,019 --> 00:36:25,170
mean 56 or 57 or something like that

716
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:27,029
yeah that's already sad that's right

717
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:30,680
yeah that's right yeah now there was a

718
00:36:38,539 --> 00:36:34,440
strange incident in a park with these

719
00:36:40,249 --> 00:36:38,549
really tall tall you know beings that

720
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:40,259
came out of a craft in Russia do you

721
00:36:45,859 --> 00:36:42,180
remember that story have you ever heard

722
00:36:48,170 --> 00:36:45,869
about that one yeah I mean Rock Valley

723
00:36:53,539 --> 00:36:48,180
wrote about it in this book about

724
00:36:55,819 --> 00:36:53,549
Russian UFO encounters and there have

725
00:36:58,999 --> 00:36:55,829
been I don't remember the city's not

726
00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:59,009
sure do that of course it wasn't that

727
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:01,380
long ago was in the 1990s I think right

728
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:04,619
yeah vote on that's water nuts oh that's

729
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:07,890
right yeah yeah yeah I mean there's so

730
00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:10,049
many stories like that in Russia

731
00:37:17,210 --> 00:37:14,730
stories about robotic like creatures if

732
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:17,220
you read the KGB files as well you can

733
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:20,640
see that I mean maybe 50 percent or

734
00:37:25,339 --> 00:37:22,380
Mississippi interpretations of their own

735
00:37:28,549 --> 00:37:25,349
rocket launches but there are also cases

736
00:37:31,279 --> 00:37:28,559
that are very very strange so Russia is

737
00:37:34,190 --> 00:37:31,289
a very interesting country you should do

738
00:37:36,319 --> 00:37:34,200
more research there if it's very haunted

739
00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:36,329
of that but you should do that yes I

740
00:37:41,170 --> 00:37:38,369
tried to connect with people and I was

741
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:41,180
there and and I I could not get very far

742
00:37:47,809 --> 00:37:44,460
unfortunately you know I was in only in

743
00:37:50,660 --> 00:37:47,819
Moscow for a short time but I was in you

744
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,670
know mostly on the Black Sea in a place

745
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:52,440
called no Vera Sisk

746
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,930
which is across from Turkey but there

747
00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:57,180
was a little bit of UFO activity and

748
00:38:01,849 --> 00:37:58,650
people talking about it there but not

749
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:01,859
you know it's kind of a handful so I

750
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:04,950
wanted to again switch gears and talk

751
00:38:12,339 --> 00:38:09,210
about your book I'm gonna bring that up

752
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:12,349
in the thing one more time if I can and

753
00:38:19,700 --> 00:38:17,000
so I do love this book I have to say and

754
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,710
can you talk about how you put that

755
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:21,839
together and and some of the images that

756
00:38:27,859 --> 00:38:25,650
are actually in here yeah I had a plan

757
00:38:31,579 --> 00:38:27,869
doing this for several years but my

758
00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:31,589
publisher wasn't that interested I mean

759
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:33,480
I published the book every year or

760
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:35,970
written nearly 30 books by now and this

761
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:38,760
book I really wanted to write this one I

762
00:38:46,099 --> 00:38:41,359
tried to get him interested in this but

763
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:46,109
eventually he said okay so he printed I

764
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:47,849
mean it's a large publishing company

765
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:52,410
they printed a Swedish Edition 6,500

766
00:38:59,930 --> 00:38:54,839
copies copies which is a small edition

767
00:39:04,099 --> 00:38:59,940
for me but we AF you got funds from from

768
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,109
a guy in the US as sometimes helps us he

769
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:07,440
gave us $10,000 so we could print this

770
00:39:12,890 --> 00:39:10,770
English edition so I started writing in

771
00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:12,900
January and I stopped writing in in May

772
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,230
last year and all the pictures were

773
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:18,240
taken by a friend of mine a professional

774
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,970
photographer I brought everything in at

775
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,040
the end it's in the book down to my old

776
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:25,920
hometown and we spent a full day taking

777
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:28,650
some blood pictures high-resolution

778
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,569
pictures of everything that I was

779
00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:32,579
interested or carrying in the book and

780
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:34,950
how long did it take you to find all

781
00:39:41,540 --> 00:39:38,609
these images I mean you know did you go

782
00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:41,550
a lot of them from your or autumn from

783
00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:45,119
your archives yeah all of them are from

784
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:49,950
ASU all of them are or pictures that we

785
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,940
have or have the rights to use yeah it

786
00:39:57,260 --> 00:39:56,160
took quite a while to assemble all of

787
00:40:01,040 --> 00:39:57,270
those stuff I mean it's not only

788
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:01,050
pictures it's the toys it's posters it's

789
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,530
Ryan records yeah yeah and you have a

790
00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:06,240
you have also

791
00:40:13,940 --> 00:40:09,000
memorabilia there as well right besides

792
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:13,950
jokes no lots of it we we try to save

793
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:17,490
the history of UFOs and that sorry it's

794
00:40:22,730 --> 00:40:20,190
not only paperwork's it's also

795
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:22,740
memorabilia like like I said posters

796
00:40:30,500 --> 00:40:27,990
when Adamski or load outing or any other

797
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:30,510
prominent 1950s or 60s

798
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:33,180
you followed historical take T are given

799
00:40:40,700 --> 00:40:36,780
a lecture we are trying to trace posters

800
00:40:42,890 --> 00:40:40,710
and save them we say the very very nice

801
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:42,900
nineteen fifties toys with flying

802
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,610
saucers they're worth hundreds of

803
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:47,460
dollars each oh yeah and there are so

804
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:49,320
many things that are as I said before

805
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:52,260
unique in the world very very hard to

806
00:40:58,190 --> 00:40:56,640
find stamps we collect UFO stamps there

807
00:41:00,440 --> 00:40:58,200
are a couple ufologists around the world

808
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:00,450
that do that so we exchange stamps from

809
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:04,320
time to time wow that's amazing I never

810
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:06,960
would have thought of stamps that their

811
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:09,060
their act their funding ups how about

812
00:41:15,620 --> 00:41:14,640
that and as far as you know I mean like

813
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:15,630
you just mentioned

814
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:18,060
I know these toys can get like crazy

815
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:20,850
there's you know vintage toy collectors

816
00:41:26,090 --> 00:41:23,070
you know where they call like new in the

817
00:41:29,390 --> 00:41:26,100
box that type of thing they can go for

818
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:29,400
thousands of dollars sometimes yeah so

819
00:41:35,570 --> 00:41:32,490
yeah yeah do you ever have people donate

820
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:35,580
things to you most of the things we have

821
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:39,090
are donating to donated to us I mean we

822
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:42,090
don't buy that much so we're trying to

823
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:44,130
find I travel to England or Great

824
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:48,660
Britain I should say every year down 21

825
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:52,320
trips since 2000 and I will do another

826
00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:52,650
one

827
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:56,790
in April and I save stuff from attics

828
00:42:05,150 --> 00:42:00,480
from from basements from roads in houses

829
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:05,160
and there well where the it's crammed

830
00:42:10,010 --> 00:42:07,170
some of the houses we are entering are

831
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:10,020
crammed with stuff and the wives are

832
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,390
very happy when we are coming and

833
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:14,400
bringing all that stuff back to Sweden

834
00:42:20,300 --> 00:42:18,660
instead so yes although that are donated

835
00:42:22,490 --> 00:42:20,310
to us we don't

836
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:22,500
pay anything for it for trial sport we

837
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:25,770
do pay yeah I was up I was in a house

838
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:30,900
kind of sort of you know a prominent

839
00:42:37,070 --> 00:42:34,410
family down in Massachusetts recently

840
00:42:39,620 --> 00:42:37,080
and I looked up on top of there I was

841
00:42:41,690 --> 00:42:39,630
doing an appraisal of their fine art and

842
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,700
antiques and everything in their house

843
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:43,740
and I looked up on their kitchen counter

844
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:45,330
and there was a big jar up there with an

845
00:42:52,580 --> 00:42:49,260
alien in it and I just laughing is that

846
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:52,590
what's that and they said that their

847
00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:54,600
uncle or whatever has a sense of humor

848
00:42:59,870 --> 00:42:57,720
and sent it to them so but yeah looked

849
00:43:02,780 --> 00:42:59,880
at actually kind of real and kind of

850
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:02,790
scary oh so it wasn't real

851
00:43:08,570 --> 00:43:05,520
oh no no it wasn't no but I'm not they

852
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:08,580
try to make it look real well why do you

853
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:13,070
call the air a fu a14 archive

854
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:17,010
well fortune means really it's from

855
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:17,850
Charles fort

856
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:20,850
I mean he was the author of four books

857
00:43:28,340 --> 00:43:26,160
in the early 1900's he was the father of

858
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:28,350
all those subjects that we are

859
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:31,530
collecting it was an American writer he

860
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:35,220
lived between 1874 and 1932 and he

861
00:43:41,810 --> 00:43:37,610
collected what he called damned facts

862
00:43:46,340 --> 00:43:41,820
and this fact that were damned by by the

863
00:43:50,030 --> 00:43:46,350
scientists not interesting he was boring

864
00:43:52,610 --> 00:43:50,040
through those scientific journals trying

865
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:52,620
to pick the gems and he did it found he

866
00:43:57,470 --> 00:43:54,450
found hundreds and hundreds of hundreds

867
00:44:00,500 --> 00:43:57,480
of UFO observations of paranormal events

868
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:00,510
I mean everything you could think of and

869
00:44:07,850 --> 00:44:05,280
after him those subjects UFOs goes to

870
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:07,860
paranormal everything that is strange is

871
00:44:12,830 --> 00:44:11,010
called fortune and we have fourteen

872
00:44:14,750 --> 00:44:12,840
times which is a magazine still

873
00:44:17,660 --> 00:44:14,760
published in in London which is a

874
00:44:20,570 --> 00:44:17,670
fantastic magazine is a must read for

875
00:44:23,140 --> 00:44:20,580
ufologists of course so that is why we

876
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:23,150
call if you a fortune

877
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:26,760
library under a fortune archive I see

878
00:44:31,790 --> 00:44:29,970
I've never I've heard that term a number

879
00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:31,800
of times but I never really quite

880
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:38,570
so thank you for clearing that up

881
00:44:46,670 --> 00:44:41,460
what other things do the does the UFO

882
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:46,680
Sweden do besides da-fu well you know

883
00:44:54,650 --> 00:44:49,920
for Sweden it's an ordinary UFO society

884
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:54,660
lurking you phone in the US we we have

885
00:45:02,960 --> 00:44:58,560
members we print two magazines which

886
00:45:06,500 --> 00:45:02,970
circulated in 1200 copies the glossy one

887
00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:06,510
and we have field investigate there's

888
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:09,600
training course every year we had one in

889
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:16,710
October where 55 people paid $250 to

890
00:45:21,830 --> 00:45:20,220
spend a weekend together with me and my

891
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:21,840
friends see you for Sweden that when we

892
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:23,760
are trying to learn them how to

893
00:45:30,650 --> 00:45:28,110
investigate UFO reports and that we have

894
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:30,660
done now since the middle of the 1970s

895
00:45:36,650 --> 00:45:32,730
every year and that is also something

896
00:45:39,410 --> 00:45:36,660
that very very few UFO groups do Wow

897
00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:39,420
so that is very huge ly important for us

898
00:45:47,030 --> 00:45:44,580
to to let those newcomers know what

899
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:47,040
people can misinterpret in disguise

900
00:45:52,850 --> 00:45:49,470
because you must sift through all of

901
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:52,860
that before getting down to the real

902
00:45:57,950 --> 00:45:55,740
UFOs it's a hard hard work but it's very

903
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:57,960
very interesting of course so you

904
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:00,180
actually had 55 people show up isn't

905
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:03,240
that that's quite a few people for a

906
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:06,900
training and is that throughout Sweden

907
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:11,220
or or what that's Ross Sweden and also

908
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:14,130
from Norway they always send people from

909
00:46:22,310 --> 00:46:18,480
Norway to our courses and can anybody

910
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:22,320
take are your courses in in your

911
00:46:28,100 --> 00:46:25,020
language only yeah I'm sorry to say it's

912
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,110
a Swedish language course and we have

913
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:30,240
been thinking of maybe taking this to

914
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:32,970
other countries because what we do is

915
00:46:38,780 --> 00:46:36,750
very high quality and it's something

916
00:46:40,820 --> 00:46:38,790
that we should export really maybe do

917
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:40,830
online or something but you need to be

918
00:46:46,610 --> 00:46:43,530
there because we have those encounters

919
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:46,620
when on our field investigators are

920
00:46:52,860 --> 00:46:48,490
encountering

921
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:52,870
a UFO that we create for them and we do

922
00:46:58,050 --> 00:46:54,490
it without their knowledge

923
00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:58,060
that you had they have to report tell

924
00:47:03,690 --> 00:47:01,150
what I have seen so it's a play really

925
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:03,700
we play with them it's very very

926
00:47:08,730 --> 00:47:05,410
interesting because after they have done

927
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:08,740
this they say I never trust anyone after

928
00:47:13,740 --> 00:47:11,770
this because take death you know they

929
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:13,750
cannot really estimate the distance they

930
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:15,310
cannot really tell what they saw they

931
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:18,720
cannot they making a drawing that is

932
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:22,600
looking like the object because that is

933
00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:24,310
the circumstances that really you have

934
00:47:28,710 --> 00:47:27,340
witnesses or exposed to this is very

935
00:47:32,820 --> 00:47:28,720
very good to be exposed to let

936
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:32,830
yourselves I see I know that the Arizona

937
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:35,410
MUFON does like a training course every

938
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:37,810
year I had some people want from that

939
00:47:42,990 --> 00:47:39,250
and I think that's really great because

940
00:47:45,870 --> 00:47:43,000
you know a lot of times also people can

941
00:47:47,220 --> 00:47:45,880
decide well maybe it's not for me too at

942
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:47,230
the same time you know maybe they're

943
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:50,320
expecting something else but yeah yeah

944
00:47:56,220 --> 00:47:52,690
but I know nowadays don't know what we

945
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:56,230
do and nobody is really expecting

946
00:48:01,260 --> 00:47:59,170
anything else but of course not everyone

947
00:48:03,930 --> 00:48:01,270
will be a field investigator after this

948
00:48:08,370 --> 00:48:03,940
yeah most of them are just interested in

949
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:08,380
and will will stay out in the perimeter

950
00:48:14,490 --> 00:48:11,650
of the organization but maybe ten people

951
00:48:16,530 --> 00:48:14,500
every year if we are lucky we can stick

952
00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:16,540
we can harvest field investigators and

953
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:19,390
keep them hmm well that's that's that's

954
00:48:27,810 --> 00:48:21,130
not bad really

955
00:48:29,310 --> 00:48:27,820
now since you and I have last talk and I

956
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:29,320
would want to get your opinion as

957
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:31,810
someone outside of our country what is

958
00:48:37,710 --> 00:48:35,680
your opinion as I was talking about in

959
00:48:40,290 --> 00:48:37,720
the monologue in the beginning it seems

960
00:48:43,170 --> 00:48:40,300
like the Navy has really been outspoken

961
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:43,180
about the UFO topic and what does

962
00:48:50,730 --> 00:48:48,160
someone like you think about that I mean

963
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:50,740
we we are in contact with the to the

964
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,640
Stars Academy quite a lot and I also

965
00:49:01,200 --> 00:48:57,520
talked for a long time with Lois

966
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:01,210
Elizondo with one of the main characters

967
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:04,270
in TTS a we also had one of them from

968
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:07,410
TTS a over in Sweden visiting a of you

969
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:10,540
so we are trying to work together with

970
00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:12,910
them and of course they were the ones

971
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:17,260
that brought those film clips out in the

972
00:49:23,790 --> 00:49:22,000
open and I mean you're the US Navy what

973
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:23,800
they have done now that I have told

974
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,530
their toilets to report what they see in

975
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:28,559
the sky they are telling that this is

976
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:31,050
well it's something they take seriously

977
00:49:37,339 --> 00:49:34,420
and both of that those things have been

978
00:49:42,030 --> 00:49:37,349
told before I mean we are back in the

979
00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:42,040
1950s or 60s again but not for a while

980
00:49:47,700 --> 00:49:44,440
so and that is very good

981
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:47,710
it helps us it helps everyone that is

982
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:49,780
interested in UFOs all over the world

983
00:49:57,839 --> 00:49:52,930
because it makes our interest and topic

984
00:49:59,880 --> 00:49:57,849
more mainstream in any ways so I think

985
00:50:03,270 --> 00:49:59,890
it's very very good for us whatever

986
00:50:06,299 --> 00:50:03,280
comes out of this we have so many good

987
00:50:09,210 --> 00:50:06,309
things coming out of it already yeah

988
00:50:12,359 --> 00:50:09,220
there's a lot of you know there's a lot

989
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:12,369
of people that speculate that you know

990
00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:15,609
to the Stars has an agenda some people

991
00:50:21,329 --> 00:50:17,470
think they do some people think they

992
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:21,339
don't how do you see them you know

993
00:50:26,910 --> 00:50:24,880
personally how do you feel do you think

994
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:26,920
there it seems to me they're moving the

995
00:50:34,799 --> 00:50:31,630
needle you know regardless things happy

996
00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:34,809
they'll try to assemble information so

997
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:37,420
they can maybe build a Croft

998
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:41,290
that's what I have been telling and I

999
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:45,790
really want to make the the most of

1000
00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:48,880
those fragments that may have been found

1001
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:54,280
from UFOs so I wish them good luck with

1002
00:50:58,049 --> 00:50:55,930
that I think it's a very very hard thing

1003
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:58,059
to do it's very problematic in many many

1004
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:01,359
respects but of course they have an

1005
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:04,290
agenda all of us as some kind of agenda

1006
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:08,140
we want to go somewhere I mean for

1007
00:51:13,620 --> 00:51:10,510
myself I want to help people with

1008
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:13,630
information that's my agenda and I want

1009
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:15,010
to know what you have for solve

1010
00:51:20,340 --> 00:51:19,090
course I don't have that insight so I

1011
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:20,350
know if they're having a hidden agenda

1012
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:24,850
but yeah I really cannot really comment

1013
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:29,110
on that right right you know do you

1014
00:51:37,350 --> 00:51:32,610
think that will ever know what UFOs are

1015
00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:37,360
haha you know when I started in 1974

1016
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:40,540
I knew much less than I know today I

1017
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,280
know very very more about

1018
00:51:48,750 --> 00:51:46,000
misinterpretations or people can

1019
00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:48,760
misinterpret in the sky I also know that

1020
00:51:55,010 --> 00:51:51,880
there are some very very tough UFO cases

1021
00:51:59,550 --> 00:51:55,020
that are very hard to crack that are

1022
00:52:04,980 --> 00:51:59,560
really nearly unbelievable when you and

1023
00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:04,990
you listen to the the observers no I'm

1024
00:52:13,410 --> 00:52:08,250
not sure I will live to get the answer

1025
00:52:16,020 --> 00:52:13,420
who knows I may be old yeah it's still

1026
00:52:17,490 --> 00:52:16,030
it's still I feel probably about the

1027
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:17,500
same way you know more or less the same

1028
00:52:24,930 --> 00:52:22,090
way but in Sweden do you know it seems

1029
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:24,940
like more or less people take this

1030
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:28,870
seriously and you're on TV quite a bit

1031
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:36,610
for representing you know as the guy

1032
00:52:40,860 --> 00:52:38,770
you're the UFO guy of Sweden basically

1033
00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:40,870
and in any time there's a TV show on

1034
00:52:43,950 --> 00:52:43,030
right I mean they call you and bring you

1035
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:43,960
in

1036
00:52:52,290 --> 00:52:47,470
and what about science there you know

1037
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:52,300
the science community have any you know

1038
00:53:00,810 --> 00:52:56,200
Swedish science looked into this topic

1039
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:00,820
seriously well not really I mean we have

1040
00:53:05,820 --> 00:53:03,010
very good contacts with astronomers and

1041
00:53:08,730 --> 00:53:05,830
physicists psychologists we have a

1042
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:08,740
couple of those on the board that helps

1043
00:53:15,060 --> 00:53:11,170
us with the difficult cases they

1044
00:53:18,780 --> 00:53:15,070
evaluate our work and looks at the cases

1045
00:53:21,930 --> 00:53:18,790
that we found most interesting but there

1046
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:21,940
have not been any any research into UFOs

1047
00:53:27,870 --> 00:53:26,170
in in Sweden I'm sorry to say but it's a

1048
00:53:29,099 --> 00:53:27,880
very difficult topic of course it's hard

1049
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:29,109
to invest

1050
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:31,359
but when you say that people here in

1051
00:53:36,650 --> 00:53:34,210
Sweden are interested and open about it

1052
00:53:39,140 --> 00:53:36,660
that is true because we knock the doors

1053
00:53:44,510 --> 00:53:39,150
during a couple of years we talked with

1054
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:44,520
1600 Swedes and out of the 1600 Swedes

1055
00:53:49,530 --> 00:53:47,170
10% of them had seen something in the

1056
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:49,540
sky that they couldn't really understand

1057
00:53:55,230 --> 00:53:51,970
and most of them had never told it to

1058
00:53:57,720 --> 00:53:55,240
anyone outside their own family so it's

1059
00:54:01,260 --> 00:53:57,730
a more million Swedes I mean we are 10

1060
00:54:06,180 --> 00:54:01,270
million in Sweden 1 million sweets can

1061
00:54:08,730 --> 00:54:06,190
be I mean holding back there they're

1062
00:54:10,260 --> 00:54:08,740
very very interesting observations that

1063
00:54:12,540 --> 00:54:10,270
we will never never know about we had

1064
00:54:15,300 --> 00:54:12,550
20,000 observations in UEFA Sweden's

1065
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:15,310
files that's nothing if there is 1

1066
00:54:21,150 --> 00:54:17,440
million out there but don't talk about

1067
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,160
them yeah you know one of the things I

1068
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:24,160
think about too is are there really that

1069
00:54:33,450 --> 00:54:30,010
many UFOs actually flying around earth

1070
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:33,460
and if so you know are they all from

1071
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:35,290
different places where are they from and

1072
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:38,200
if they are from another planet you know

1073
00:54:43,859 --> 00:54:41,230
I mean who knows for you know where

1074
00:54:47,579 --> 00:54:43,869
they're from but still there's so many

1075
00:54:48,740 --> 00:54:47,589
sightings it's just it's unbelievable if

1076
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,750
you really think about it

1077
00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:52,319
yeah but to be honest most of them are

1078
00:54:58,530 --> 00:54:55,869
misinterpretations or mundane objects if

1079
00:55:01,800 --> 00:54:58,540
we give every sighting the time it

1080
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:01,810
deserves we usually find an explanation

1081
00:55:08,430 --> 00:55:03,790
to it I mean really your phones are

1082
00:55:12,450 --> 00:55:08,440
scarce we may get one or two every year

1083
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:12,460
here in Sweden if we are lucky and not

1084
00:55:19,099 --> 00:55:15,400
every year there is one but the ones

1085
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:19,109
that are left that have really physical

1086
00:55:26,730 --> 00:55:23,760
impact on maybe a car or something else

1087
00:55:28,260 --> 00:55:26,740
they are the most interesting of course

1088
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:28,270
but they are not that many that people

1089
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:30,970
would tend to believe oh we got 250

1090
00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:34,060
reports every year only handful are

1091
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:37,000
interesting enough to really go more in

1092
00:55:42,670 --> 00:55:41,410
more detail about yeah sure all right

1093
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:42,680
well we're ready to go under

1094
00:55:47,110 --> 00:55:44,510
so this is Martin Willis my guest

1095
00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:47,120
tonight his class Vaughn and we'll be

1096
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:49,340
right back right after these messages

1097
00:55:56,110 --> 00:55:52,010
welcome back my guest tonight is Klaus

1098
00:56:00,220 --> 00:55:56,120
von from Sweden and we were talking UFOs

1099
00:56:01,990 --> 00:56:00,230
and and and documents and books and

1100
00:56:05,590 --> 00:56:02,000
archives and all kinds of interesting

1101
00:56:08,650 --> 00:56:05,600
things and in the UFO world you saved

1102
00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:08,660
like a bunch of stuff in California that

1103
00:56:15,610 --> 00:56:12,100
was in a garage or something like that

1104
00:56:17,410 --> 00:56:15,620
yeah I mean it's one of the oldest UFO

1105
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:17,420
groups in the world called borderland

1106
00:56:24,910 --> 00:56:22,010
Science Research Association and we had

1107
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:24,920
tried for years to get in contact with

1108
00:56:31,330 --> 00:56:28,450
the person who was in charge of this

1109
00:56:33,730 --> 00:56:31,340
1940s organization Wow

1110
00:56:36,670 --> 00:56:33,740
we called him we wrote to him we emailed

1111
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:36,680
him we tried every way we could but he

1112
00:56:41,410 --> 00:56:39,380
never answered us but suddenly one night

1113
00:56:45,550 --> 00:56:41,420
the two o'clock in the night I called

1114
00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:45,560
him and he picked up the phone and after

1115
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:48,560
that he was hooked and I met with him

1116
00:56:55,930 --> 00:56:54,050
and a couple of years ago in 2016 I went

1117
00:56:59,650 --> 00:56:55,940
to California together with my family on

1118
00:57:02,200 --> 00:56:59,660
holiday and then we met and we packed

1119
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:02,210
all of this stuff this wonderful stuff

1120
00:57:10,090 --> 00:57:05,210
from the garage which he had saved for

1121
00:57:12,850 --> 00:57:10,100
decades moving with him and we sent

1122
00:57:14,830 --> 00:57:12,860
there to Sweden and now it's sorted we

1123
00:57:17,410 --> 00:57:14,840
have scanned a lot of it we had helped

1124
00:57:20,110 --> 00:57:17,420
him with scanning got things back from

1125
00:57:21,850 --> 00:57:20,120
us we do that we try to help people with

1126
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:21,860
with um things back as well of course

1127
00:57:29,140 --> 00:57:25,910
and I mean he's from 1919 40s up till

1128
00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:29,150
the 1990s and it's it's fantastic it's

1129
00:57:34,060 --> 00:57:30,950
letters and reports and newspaper

1130
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:34,070
clippings and loads of stuff Wow

1131
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:36,770
wow that's amazing and when you worship

1132
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:39,650
something like that how do you ship it I

1133
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:41,450
mean it's so expensive to ship

1134
00:57:48,670 --> 00:57:45,650
international it is why we ship this

1135
00:57:56,170 --> 00:57:48,680
huge collection from Oregon this 1,000

1136
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:56,180
kilos it costs around $1500 it's less

1137
00:58:01,870 --> 00:57:56,450
than

1138
00:58:03,460 --> 00:58:01,880
mmm well but it becomes customs and

1139
00:58:08,890 --> 00:58:03,470
other other stuff as well so it

1140
00:58:11,980 --> 00:58:08,900
eventually maybe $2,000 tops so well we

1141
00:58:14,770 --> 00:58:11,990
can do it but it's not for free though

1142
00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:14,780
yeah and you're traveling all over the

1143
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:16,550
place can you talk about some of the

1144
00:58:19,829 --> 00:58:18,410
other places you've traveled to to find

1145
00:58:22,829 --> 00:58:19,839
things

1146
00:58:26,170 --> 00:58:22,839
yeah I'm traveled a lot to Europe

1147
00:58:30,180 --> 00:58:26,180
northern parts of Europe mainly but

1148
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:30,190
Britain is my main and main traveling

1149
00:58:36,819 --> 00:58:34,520
focus because in the 1950s there is so

1150
00:58:38,829 --> 00:58:36,829
many UFO groups in Britain and all of

1151
00:58:40,990 --> 00:58:38,839
them had exchanged with all over the

1152
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:41,000
world they got a magazine from Japan

1153
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:46,000
from the US they had letters from

1154
00:58:52,690 --> 00:58:49,490
ufologist and contactees all over the

1155
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:52,700
world so you can find nearly anything

1156
00:58:58,750 --> 00:58:54,950
you want when it comes to the early

1157
00:59:01,870 --> 00:58:58,760
history of UFOs in Britain and I mean

1158
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:01,880
Gordon Creighton was the found sorry not

1159
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:03,290
the founder he was the publisher of

1160
00:59:10,180 --> 00:59:05,569
flying saucer review for many many years

1161
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:10,190
I met with him in 2001 I think it's the

1162
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:12,710
first time when he passed away a couple

1163
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:15,530
of years later I was the first to enter

1164
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,040
his house and his son had told me that

1165
00:59:23,890 --> 00:59:21,680
do not go up to the second floor so I

1166
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:23,900
went there of course the first time did

1167
00:59:30,220 --> 00:59:27,740
and we couldn't even open the door it

1168
00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:30,230
was a crammed with stuff we spent maybe

1169
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:33,140
20 minutes trying to get in and we did

1170
00:59:38,109 --> 00:59:35,510
that the whole room was filled with

1171
00:59:42,490 --> 00:59:38,119
paperwork's with books with reports with

1172
00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:42,500
all stuff from 50 years so you follow

1173
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:45,260
chief and you go for work and eventually

1174
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:47,990
we found staircase we didn't see it

1175
00:59:53,319 --> 00:59:50,420
after an hour we found it because first

1176
00:59:55,569 --> 00:59:53,329
it was underneath books and we went up

1177
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:55,579
towards another floor where we found a

1178
01:00:03,460 --> 00:59:59,359
library and eventually took us 10 years

1179
01:00:05,710 --> 01:00:03,470
to get all of this to Sweden because

1180
01:00:08,530 --> 01:00:05,720
they didn't want to part with it but I

1181
01:00:10,030 --> 01:00:08,540
went there 10 times talking to the guy

1182
01:00:13,660 --> 01:00:10,040
who too careless and

1183
01:00:17,350 --> 01:00:13,670
venturi said take it so now we have it

1184
01:00:19,450 --> 01:00:17,360
ordered and scanned some of it but we

1185
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:19,460
are going to scan much more of it it's

1186
01:00:24,550 --> 01:00:22,010
hugely important or carry the finest

1187
01:00:27,790 --> 01:00:24,560
review was the most important magazine

1188
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:27,800
for many many many years Wow and when

1189
01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:29,810
you scan these things are they do you

1190
01:00:35,350 --> 01:00:32,180
ever put them up on your website where

1191
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:35,360
people can actually you know get to some

1192
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:38,330
of this material well we have a server

1193
01:00:44,770 --> 01:00:42,410
where we put everything on it's not that

1194
01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:44,780
easy just to publish anything and

1195
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:47,140
everything it's very personal it's

1196
01:00:52,690 --> 01:00:49,970
sometimes you must redact witnesses

1197
01:00:55,330 --> 01:00:52,700
names and things like that so even

1198
01:00:58,450 --> 01:00:55,340
though we have scanned all of the

1199
01:01:01,810 --> 01:00:58,460
British UFO research associations files

1200
01:01:05,140 --> 01:01:01,820
which I found during 20 years of travels

1201
01:01:08,170 --> 01:01:05,150
in maybe 25 or 30 different places

1202
01:01:12,150 --> 01:01:08,180
around Britain we scanned all of it and

1203
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,160
gave it back in scan format too before

1204
01:01:17,170 --> 01:01:14,960
we cannot publish it because it's very

1205
01:01:18,970 --> 01:01:17,180
sensitive and they must make the

1206
01:01:21,550 --> 01:01:18,980
decision what they want to make public

1207
01:01:23,230 --> 01:01:21,560
in that way but we do make public all of

1208
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:23,240
those magazines that we have cleared the

1209
01:01:29,260 --> 01:01:26,720
copyright issues for then you can go and

1210
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:29,270
get them for free from a if you download

1211
01:01:33,900 --> 01:01:32,330
and we really we help people of course

1212
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:33,910
if you're coming to us you can see

1213
01:01:39,310 --> 01:01:37,040
everything we have but the sensitive

1214
01:01:43,270 --> 01:01:39,320
material you may not be able to copy

1215
01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:43,280
everything you must we must delete names

1216
01:01:48,790 --> 01:01:44,870
if you're going to bring it with you

1217
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:48,800
I see now about copyright that's one of

1218
01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:50,810
the things I thought of when I received

1219
01:01:56,650 --> 01:01:52,700
your book in the mail and I was looking

1220
01:01:59,350 --> 01:01:56,660
you know through it how difficult is it

1221
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,360
to find out first of all if an image has

1222
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:01,760
a copyright and then how do you get

1223
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:04,210
around that if you want to publish it

1224
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:06,170
yeah it's difficult

1225
01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:08,570
you really have to I mean there is a

1226
01:02:13,660 --> 01:02:11,480
many many many comes at the 50 year span

1227
01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:13,670
that you can you can make available

1228
01:02:18,670 --> 01:02:15,830
pictures that are more than 50 years

1229
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:18,680
after the person who took it just passed

1230
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:21,710
away when it comes to magazine is it's

1231
01:02:24,010 --> 01:02:22,520
much more easy

1232
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:24,020
we can trace and we

1233
01:02:28,540 --> 01:02:26,810
help with a guy in in Britain who helps

1234
01:02:32,830 --> 01:02:28,550
us to trace people all around the world

1235
01:02:36,810 --> 01:02:32,840
that keep keeps copyrights but we must

1236
01:02:41,290 --> 01:02:36,820
really be thorough in this so we don't

1237
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:41,300
step over a line and if some people say

1238
01:02:48,670 --> 01:02:43,190
that this picture you cannot publish me

1239
01:02:53,340 --> 01:02:48,680
of course we don't do it right right yes

1240
01:02:56,830 --> 01:02:53,350
I actually buy by error once I had a

1241
01:03:00,850 --> 01:02:56,840
billy meier picture and one of my logs

1242
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,860
and I was contacted you know to take the

1243
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:03,440
image down you know which is fine I'll

1244
01:03:09,030 --> 01:03:06,350
be glad to do that whenever my contact

1245
01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:09,040
with no problem at all but Wow

1246
01:03:15,580 --> 01:03:13,580
interesting and getting back to that you

1247
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:15,590
know you talked about the we both were

1248
01:03:20,890 --> 01:03:17,930
talking about the enormous amount of

1249
01:03:23,620 --> 01:03:20,900
money those pictures brought do you

1250
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:23,630
think that is going to set a trend for

1251
01:03:27,490 --> 01:03:26,090
people buying you know UFO pictures or

1252
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:27,500
do you think that was a one-time thing

1253
01:03:36,990 --> 01:03:30,770
because of the picture being on that

1254
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:37,000
poster I'm a little scared about this

1255
01:03:44,350 --> 01:03:40,610
could set some sort of the bottom line

1256
01:03:45,460 --> 01:03:44,360
for for our own but everything is really

1257
01:03:48,820 --> 01:03:45,470
worth something

1258
01:03:52,420 --> 01:03:48,830
and of course UFOs are not only for your

1259
01:03:55,150 --> 01:03:52,430
photo gist it's something that in its in

1260
01:03:58,780 --> 01:03:55,160
the public mind after so many sci-fi

1261
01:04:01,900 --> 01:03:58,790
movies and all the documentaries and or

1262
01:04:06,010 --> 01:04:01,910
x-files and all that stuff people are

1263
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:06,020
ready to pay for it they are I mean we

1264
01:04:12,850 --> 01:04:09,050
have material worth millions of course

1265
01:04:14,830 --> 01:04:12,860
of you if we were going to sell it and I

1266
01:04:19,140 --> 01:04:14,840
really hope that it's not the case that

1267
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,150
we must buy stuff for loads of money

1268
01:04:27,870 --> 01:04:21,920
there is of course a risk it is a risk

1269
01:04:32,110 --> 01:04:27,880
right right now getting back to what the

1270
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:32,120
research that you do over there

1271
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:34,070
can you talk about some of the case

1272
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:37,970
files that have happened maybe since you

1273
01:04:44,370 --> 01:04:39,410
last been on the show anything

1274
01:04:49,740 --> 01:04:44,380
interesting yeah I mean we have this

1275
01:04:54,339 --> 01:04:49,750
case file from this a British policeman

1276
01:04:56,290 --> 01:04:54,349
Alan Godfrey he was from he was working

1277
01:05:01,089 --> 01:04:56,300
in Todmorden which is outside Manchester

1278
01:05:04,750 --> 01:05:01,099
north of Manchester in 1980 and his case

1279
01:05:08,170 --> 01:05:04,760
file also contains his uniform and we do

1280
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:08,180
have his uniform his jacket that he may

1281
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:11,359
have had honest on himself when he was

1282
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:15,890
abducted on this craft he met on

1283
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:18,650
November 28th he was out looking for

1284
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:21,980
cows was a herd of cows that had been

1285
01:05:27,849 --> 01:05:25,490
vanishing from from from a farmer nearby

1286
01:05:29,650 --> 01:05:27,859
and he was out looking for them but

1287
01:05:32,620 --> 01:05:29,660
early in the morning it was I think

1288
01:05:35,950 --> 01:05:32,630
equal to 2 5 or something like that he

1289
01:05:39,900 --> 01:05:35,960
was travelling the oldest road outside

1290
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:39,910
Todmorden when a huge craft suddenly

1291
01:05:46,750 --> 01:05:43,430
hanged in the air in front of his police

1292
01:05:48,550 --> 01:05:46,760
cars we stopped he didn't have any

1293
01:05:54,270 --> 01:05:48,560
camera with him so we stopped and just

1294
01:05:57,880 --> 01:05:54,280
looked at it it was like whirling it was

1295
01:06:00,520 --> 01:05:57,890
moving very swiftly so leaves and

1296
01:06:05,230 --> 01:06:00,530
branches were traveling around it like

1297
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:05,240
in a world storm and he started to write

1298
01:06:10,450 --> 01:06:08,089
there to draw the object instead if they

1299
01:06:12,820 --> 01:06:10,460
took some paper and started to draw it

1300
01:06:17,410 --> 01:06:12,830
and someone it was a flash of light and

1301
01:06:20,650 --> 01:06:17,420
he felt himself being driving the car on

1302
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:20,660
the other side of the object I mean the

1303
01:06:26,710 --> 01:06:23,990
second before he was standing sitting in

1304
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:26,720
the car drawing and after that suddenly

1305
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:29,810
he was driving again from the object and

1306
01:06:35,109 --> 01:06:31,849
he turned around he turned away vehicle

1307
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:35,119
around and the object was gone but he

1308
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:39,140
could see it was a pattern of a dry dry

1309
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,010
area on the way on there on the road

1310
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:44,720
because it had been raining but where

1311
01:06:50,050 --> 01:06:46,910
the object had been seen or scenario

1312
01:06:51,910 --> 01:06:50,060
that was really dry and after that he

1313
01:06:55,809 --> 01:06:51,920
had five

1314
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:55,819
different hypnosis sessions and he told

1315
01:07:02,289 --> 01:06:58,490
the same story in every one of them and

1316
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:02,299
he suddenly were taken out of the car on

1317
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:07,730
board his ship meeting tall alien or

1318
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:09,950
whatever it was he never said it was an

1319
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:12,890
alien and some other guys there as well

1320
01:07:18,130 --> 01:07:15,200
and after that he didn't tell anymore he

1321
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:18,140
couldn't go past that point he stopped

1322
01:07:24,130 --> 01:07:21,680
her every time and his police jacket we

1323
01:07:27,789 --> 01:07:24,140
have tell you a few we have his story

1324
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:27,799
and this report wow that's a great one

1325
01:07:34,539 --> 01:07:31,609
and I do remember clearly that you said

1326
01:07:37,390 --> 01:07:34,549
the abduction thing is very very low in

1327
01:07:40,059 --> 01:07:37,400
Sweden that you get it was very rare

1328
01:07:41,500 --> 01:07:40,069
that you get any reports about that is

1329
01:07:46,299 --> 01:07:41,510
that about the same as it always was

1330
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:46,309
besides of this story yeah it is it's

1331
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:50,210
very very uncommon but that said just a

1332
01:07:55,779 --> 01:07:52,960
couple of months ago I met the guy who

1333
01:07:57,789 --> 01:07:55,789
regulary every night or every second

1334
01:07:58,440 --> 01:07:57,799
night and you can make of it whatever

1335
01:08:03,970 --> 01:07:58,450
you want

1336
01:08:07,749 --> 01:08:03,980
travels to other planets and it's a part

1337
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:07,759
of this huge collection of entities that

1338
01:08:14,650 --> 01:08:11,930
are rolling the universe I mean it

1339
01:08:17,099 --> 01:08:14,660
sounds crazy but the guy is not crazy I

1340
01:08:21,700 --> 01:08:17,109
mean you've got the proper job and quite

1341
01:08:23,590 --> 01:08:21,710
an important job as well and he's really

1342
01:08:25,180 --> 01:08:23,600
really much like you and me when he

1343
01:08:28,329 --> 01:08:25,190
tells this story but his stories of

1344
01:08:31,539 --> 01:08:28,339
course so strange that is very very hot

1345
01:08:33,729 --> 01:08:31,549
or to believe and I know several other

1346
01:08:35,620 --> 01:08:33,739
people here in Sweden that tell us the

1347
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:35,630
same kind of stories that they traveled

1348
01:08:42,370 --> 01:08:40,190
nighttime to different planets meet

1349
01:08:44,769 --> 01:08:42,380
entities and discuss things with them

1350
01:08:46,530 --> 01:08:44,779
and sometimes then bring bring stuff

1351
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:46,540
back with them as well

1352
01:08:52,689 --> 01:08:50,210
so yeah what do you know I mean it's

1353
01:08:54,189 --> 01:08:52,699
very hard to investigate but there

1354
01:08:57,669 --> 01:08:54,199
countless stories you can find here as

1355
01:09:01,660 --> 01:08:57,679
well yeah well wow I'm actually

1356
01:09:03,879 --> 01:09:01,670
surprised after our other conversations

1357
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:03,889
because I remember you told me I think

1358
01:09:08,689 --> 01:09:05,339
there was only a couple of cases

1359
01:09:11,180 --> 01:09:08,699
you were aware of and one of them was

1360
01:09:13,789 --> 01:09:11,190
actually really interesting where it was

1361
01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,799
actually a police officer as well

1362
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:15,960
his wife was lifted off the bed or

1363
01:09:20,959 --> 01:09:19,080
something in front of him oh oh yeah it

1364
01:09:24,109 --> 01:09:20,969
was it was not the police officer but

1365
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:24,119
that's right you're remembering right he

1366
01:09:29,089 --> 01:09:26,250
was in his bed and he was sleeping and

1367
01:09:30,829 --> 01:09:29,099
his wife was sleeping beside him and I

1368
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:30,839
met with both of them in their in their

1369
01:09:40,700 --> 01:09:35,849
home and his wife told me that she was

1370
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:40,710
always waking up as she had fell asleep

1371
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:43,799
she was sleeping very very sound very

1372
01:09:52,579 --> 01:09:47,520
deep never woke up but this night she

1373
01:09:57,979 --> 01:09:52,589
woke and it was a greenish light in the

1374
01:10:01,310 --> 01:09:57,989
bedroom she was like hovering over the

1375
01:10:04,250 --> 01:10:01,320
bed in the fetus position with his with

1376
01:10:07,879 --> 01:10:04,260
her face down to the to the to the bed

1377
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:07,889
and she saw her husband sleeping and she

1378
01:10:13,129 --> 01:10:11,520
was dragged out from the bed and she was

1379
01:10:15,979 --> 01:10:13,139
scared of course so she tried to shout

1380
01:10:18,500 --> 01:10:15,989
and wake up her husband but she she

1381
01:10:23,209 --> 01:10:18,510
couldn't shout so she instead grabbed

1382
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:23,219
him by his arm and he tells me that he

1383
01:10:30,169 --> 01:10:26,489
awakes feeling this grabbing of his arm

1384
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:30,179
and he sees his wife floating out from

1385
01:10:35,570 --> 01:10:33,330
the bed towards three entities very much

1386
01:10:38,060 --> 01:10:35,580
like the ones you see on with de

1387
01:10:41,089 --> 01:10:38,070
streamers communion cover that were

1388
01:10:44,330 --> 01:10:41,099
standing at the end of the bed and she

1389
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:44,340
was drawn to them and he thought what

1390
01:10:49,399 --> 01:10:47,730
should I do and he did one thing very

1391
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:49,409
strange of course he tried to kick them

1392
01:10:57,229 --> 01:10:52,800
so he when he did that he he tried to

1393
01:11:01,220 --> 01:10:57,239
kick them suddenly everything went dark

1394
01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:01,230
and he heard the pounds like somebody

1395
01:11:06,379 --> 01:11:04,500
falling and his wife Urfa course outside

1396
01:11:08,839 --> 01:11:06,389
the bed at that time and she found on

1397
01:11:11,629 --> 01:11:08,849
the floor and if you think that he

1398
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:11,639
strange what is happening next is much

1399
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:14,340
more strange to me because she she

1400
01:11:19,229 --> 01:11:17,210
crawls up into the bed and they were

1401
01:11:22,380 --> 01:11:19,239
talking to each other and she

1402
01:11:25,370 --> 01:11:22,390
what do you think that was a disaster I

1403
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:25,380
have no idea and I fell asleep again

1404
01:11:30,990 --> 01:11:28,960
they fell asleep again and yeah that is

1405
01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:31,000
that is something I've heard on this

1406
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:33,280
show a lot of times people have this

1407
01:11:38,690 --> 01:11:35,800
major thing happened a major sighting

1408
01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:38,700
and they go right to sleep

1409
01:11:43,290 --> 01:11:41,320
wait does it seem like it makes any

1410
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:43,300
sense but straight to that the story

1411
01:11:48,959 --> 01:11:46,690
really yeah yeah it is that is bizarre

1412
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:48,969
yeah that's that's that's really

1413
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,370
something but as far as the abductions

1414
01:11:59,310 --> 01:11:57,040
go and or the experiences and stuff like

1415
01:12:03,330 --> 01:11:59,320
that generally speaking it's very low

1416
01:12:08,430 --> 01:12:03,340
you get very few reports yeah absolutely

1417
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:08,440
out of are the 250 reports that you look

1418
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:10,810
into our is there a portion that are

1419
01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:12,550
people claiming that they were also

1420
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:16,300
abducted no not really

1421
01:12:23,820 --> 01:12:21,010
maybe what about anything entities I

1422
01:12:25,500 --> 01:12:23,830
mean they were very common in the 1970s

1423
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,510
when I started I said John you follow

1424
01:12:30,540 --> 01:12:27,520
geez you could meet people that met

1425
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:30,550
entities nowadays you can do that but

1426
01:12:36,959 --> 01:12:34,719
that's a very very very seldom we don't

1427
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:36,969
get that kind of report very often maybe

1428
01:12:40,500 --> 01:12:39,010
once a year maybe every second year

1429
01:12:49,440 --> 01:12:40,510
something like that

1430
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:49,450
I see hmm and as far as the reports are

1431
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:51,730
are they a similar type of objects that

1432
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:53,950
people are seeing you know I mean it

1433
01:12:58,020 --> 01:12:56,590
seems like there's a lot of triangle

1434
01:13:00,360 --> 01:12:58,030
UFOs a lot of people are talking about

1435
01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:00,370
them is that is that common over there

1436
01:13:07,650 --> 01:13:04,510
as well no triangle observations are

1437
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:07,660
very very symptoms well here we do get a

1438
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:09,540
few and we have been able to identify

1439
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:13,050
and identify many of them as aircraft

1440
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:16,410
but there are some very strange

1441
01:13:21,570 --> 01:13:18,760
triangular observations of course here

1442
01:13:23,550 --> 01:13:21,580
as well but most of them most of the

1443
01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:23,560
pictures we get most of the observations

1444
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:28,120
we get or nighttime specks of light that

1445
01:13:32,930 --> 01:13:29,530
really really does

1446
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:32,940
say nothing at all it's

1447
01:13:37,140 --> 01:13:35,530
they are not informative I should say I

1448
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:37,150
mean you would think that people with

1449
01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:39,850
those mobile cameras would take loads of

1450
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:42,580
very very good pictures now but they

1451
01:13:46,740 --> 01:13:44,530
don't yeah you don't have those

1452
01:13:50,970 --> 01:13:46,750
fantastic you know for pictures anymore

1453
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:50,980
as you had in the 1950s when well the

1454
01:13:54,899 --> 01:13:52,770
contactees took pictures all the time

1455
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:54,909
why do you suppose that is

1456
01:14:00,689 --> 01:13:56,800
I mean everyone has a cell phone on them

1457
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:00,699
almost yeah yeah I mean here is weeded

1458
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:04,330
everyone I mean it's hard to find anyone

1459
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:07,270
who doesn't I mean it that tells me that

1460
01:14:13,649 --> 01:14:09,630
the really ruffles are very very scores

1461
01:14:17,939 --> 01:14:13,659
again and most of the things you'll see

1462
01:14:19,500 --> 01:14:17,949
can be explained it's hard to say that

1463
01:14:20,970 --> 01:14:19,510
because if you say that people think you

1464
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:20,980
are a skeptic or something but I'm not a

1465
01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:24,250
skeptic and I'm skeptical in when it

1466
01:14:28,590 --> 01:14:25,900
comes to people's interpretations of

1467
01:14:30,959 --> 01:14:28,600
what they have seen but I am open to it

1468
01:14:34,260 --> 01:14:30,969
can be anything and everything and you

1469
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:34,270
must be both both ways it's very

1470
01:14:41,790 --> 01:14:37,570
important so of course there are

1471
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:41,800
pictures that are better but I still I'm

1472
01:14:47,459 --> 01:14:44,409
still waiting for the really good ones I

1473
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:47,469
was at least here in Sweden yes yes I'm

1474
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:49,870
I'm opening up the phone lines if anyone

1475
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:51,730
would like to call in and ask our guest

1476
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:54,010
a question and that number is eight five

1477
01:15:00,000 --> 01:14:56,650
five four seven two five four eight

1478
01:15:01,260 --> 01:15:00,010
three it's up on the YouTube screen you

1479
01:15:04,830 --> 01:15:01,270
can see that now if you'd like to call

1480
01:15:08,490 --> 01:15:04,840
in and yeah

1481
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,500
it's it's really it's really quite

1482
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:11,679
amazing when when you think about as far

1483
01:15:18,930 --> 01:15:15,070
as all the reports go well and how would

1484
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:18,940
you I know you're very particular on how

1485
01:15:25,260 --> 01:15:21,250
you would report a UFO can you give

1486
01:15:27,660 --> 01:15:25,270
advice to maybe a listener out there who

1487
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:27,670
may encounter in the future UFO what

1488
01:15:32,130 --> 01:15:30,730
they should do once they see one the

1489
01:15:35,370 --> 01:15:32,140
first thing you're sure do is to take a

1490
01:15:37,890 --> 01:15:35,380
picture not because so the picture may

1491
01:15:39,870 --> 01:15:37,900
be a great quality but because the

1492
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:39,880
camera gives us the time of the

1493
01:15:47,580 --> 01:15:43,210
observation so whatever you see if it's

1494
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:47,590
a speck of light far away take a picture

1495
01:15:54,810 --> 01:15:51,040
and after that we can of course check

1496
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:54,820
what was in the air or in the sky at

1497
01:16:00,930 --> 01:15:57,970
that time and after that you should try

1498
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:00,940
to record what you are seeing

1499
01:16:04,830 --> 01:16:02,710
maybe film it maybe talk to your

1500
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:04,840
telephone if you have one or write it

1501
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:08,530
down as soon as possible and if you're

1502
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:12,370
in the familiar area try to see in which

1503
01:16:18,030 --> 01:16:15,610
direction you saw this most people don't

1504
01:16:19,710 --> 01:16:18,040
have a clue about north and south even

1505
01:16:22,860 --> 01:16:19,720
though if they are lived in an area for

1506
01:16:27,150 --> 01:16:22,870
many years they often mistake north and

1507
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:27,160
south or east and west so it's very very

1508
01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:29,650
good to know where you are when it was

1509
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:33,220
and what you thought you saw those three

1510
01:16:39,050 --> 01:16:35,770
things are the crucial questions you

1511
01:16:42,870 --> 01:16:39,060
always ask as a researcher afterwards

1512
01:16:45,620 --> 01:16:42,880
and I remember you talking about you and

1513
01:16:49,470 --> 01:16:45,630
your wife actually witnessed something

1514
01:16:51,690 --> 01:16:49,480
coming home one night so if someone is

1515
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:51,700
if it's like a multiple witness

1516
01:16:57,330 --> 01:16:55,840
situation what would you explain to them

1517
01:16:58,670 --> 01:16:57,340
that you do a little bit different than

1518
01:17:01,230 --> 01:16:58,680
what you just said

1519
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:01,240
yeah what we did at that time

1520
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:03,250
was that we were not talking to each

1521
01:17:08,310 --> 01:17:06,070
other we were separating each other into

1522
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:08,320
different rooms in our house was in the

1523
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:11,290
middle of the night sat down with a form

1524
01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:13,570
that you have Sweden uses enemy new

1525
01:17:18,990 --> 01:17:15,790
phone and other groups have those report

1526
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:19,000
forms as well and we all set all the

1527
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:21,970
questions we make the drum made the

1528
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:25,030
drawings and after that we compared

1529
01:17:29,940 --> 01:17:27,850
notes and talked so it's very important

1530
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:29,950
when you're in a group not to let the

1531
01:17:36,060 --> 01:17:32,110
group leader because they're always the

1532
01:17:37,770 --> 01:17:36,070
leader in any group affect you and tell

1533
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:37,780
you what you are seeing I've seen so

1534
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:40,960
many so many UFO reports with groups

1535
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:46,170
seeing things that are getting really

1536
01:17:51,930 --> 01:17:49,090
looking that everyone tells the same

1537
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:51,940
story eventually and that is not the

1538
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:55,230
case because people don't see or

1539
01:18:00,569 --> 01:17:58,090
remember things the same way that's the

1540
01:18:02,959 --> 01:18:00,579
other guy I do yeah

1541
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:02,969
I think the most important takeaway that

1542
01:18:07,849 --> 01:18:05,260
anybody can get from this is you do

1543
01:18:10,939 --> 01:18:07,859
something right away as quick as you can

1544
01:18:14,369 --> 01:18:10,949
yeah and document it as much as you can

1545
01:18:17,819 --> 01:18:14,379
and if you don't have a cell phone look

1546
01:18:20,669 --> 01:18:17,829
at your watch and and time is essential

1547
01:18:24,349 --> 01:18:20,679
if we have a UFO report and we don't

1548
01:18:28,020 --> 01:18:24,359
know when it happened it can never be

1549
01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:28,030
the solution can never be a UFO

1550
01:18:33,629 --> 01:18:31,030
afterward that case can never be solved

1551
01:18:35,399 --> 01:18:33,639
and we can never say that it was a UFO

1552
01:18:39,089 --> 01:18:35,409
sighting even though it may have been a

1553
01:18:42,359 --> 01:18:39,099
fantastic sighting that's the roads we

1554
01:18:46,169 --> 01:18:42,369
have in UFO Sweden we need to have exact

1555
01:18:48,629 --> 01:18:46,179
time so we can check what kind of mr.

1556
01:18:52,349 --> 01:18:48,639
Fantasia it could have been if we cannot

1557
01:18:54,839 --> 01:18:52,359
check it we cannot call it a UFO there

1558
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:54,849
was a recently there was Marseille I

1559
01:19:01,169 --> 01:18:56,289
don't know two or three weeks ago there

1560
01:19:04,409 --> 01:19:01,179
was a UFO video up on YouTube and look

1561
01:19:06,599 --> 01:19:04,419
darn good actually

1562
01:19:11,069 --> 01:19:06,609
I don't know I've never followed up on

1563
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:11,079
it in the last few weeks but you know

1564
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:13,090
the person that posted the video said

1565
01:19:18,109 --> 01:19:15,489
over a hundred witnesses and blah blah

1566
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:18,119
blah and then you know showed this video

1567
01:19:23,790 --> 01:19:20,800
so I wrote in the comments below okay

1568
01:19:26,219 --> 01:19:23,800
well where are those hundred witnesses

1569
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,229
and where are the other films up you

1570
01:19:30,719 --> 01:19:28,719
know I mean it's okay for someone to say

1571
01:19:33,599 --> 01:19:30,729
there's a hundred witnesses but if

1572
01:19:35,549 --> 01:19:33,609
that's all you got you know it's not

1573
01:19:38,459 --> 01:19:35,559
it's not much of a leg to stand on you

1574
01:19:41,819 --> 01:19:38,469
need more more documentation than just

1575
01:19:42,989 --> 01:19:41,829
putting it under the video so I mean to

1576
01:19:50,819 --> 01:19:42,999
me

1577
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:50,829
your thumbs through but you entertain

1578
01:19:56,819 --> 01:19:53,679
other people I do believe that a lot of

1579
01:19:58,409 --> 01:19:56,829
people don't know what to do and when

1580
01:20:00,509 --> 01:19:58,419
they see something unusual they put it

1581
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:00,519
on YouTube totally because they don't

1582
01:20:04,409 --> 01:20:02,289
know what to do all right

1583
01:20:07,919 --> 01:20:04,419
yeah I believe that is true but there is

1584
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:07,929
the entertainment aspect and you know

1585
01:20:13,710 --> 01:20:11,050
the amount of views that the hoaxers get

1586
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:17,280
I almost dare say criminal in a way you

1587
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:20,650
know some of the CGA things that are out

1588
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:23,410
there that look so good you know and

1589
01:20:28,620 --> 01:20:26,050
it's just a shame because it's very very

1590
01:20:32,370 --> 01:20:28,630
hard today to tell really what is bona

1591
01:20:35,670 --> 01:20:32,380
fide film or just a hoax yeah I mean we

1592
01:20:38,070 --> 01:20:35,680
have our experts in UEFA's Sweden that

1593
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:38,080
are quite skilled but I mean it's very

1594
01:20:42,900 --> 01:20:40,570
very hard to tell the hoax if you have

1595
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:42,910
filmed something real I mean if you have

1596
01:20:49,890 --> 01:20:45,610
thrown something up in the air which is

1597
01:20:50,430 --> 01:20:49,900
a real thing and film that I mean it's

1598
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:50,440
real

1599
01:20:55,770 --> 01:20:52,570
you have to see how to tell what it

1600
01:20:58,740 --> 01:20:55,780
could be I mean it it comes down to

1601
01:21:01,440 --> 01:20:58,750
interview in the witness to meet in the

1602
01:21:04,530 --> 01:21:01,450
witness on the spot where this thing

1603
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:04,540
happened and when we do that many times

1604
01:21:08,610 --> 01:21:06,490
we get the solution there because most

1605
01:21:10,980 --> 01:21:08,620
witnesses they they don't follow through

1606
01:21:13,530 --> 01:21:10,990
with with our hoax stories when we are

1607
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:13,540
there trying to really get them to

1608
01:21:20,090 --> 01:21:17,410
explain they can't really get their

1609
01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:20,100
story through at that time mm-hmm

1610
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:23,320
again the phone lines are open at eight

1611
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:25,330
five five four seven two five four eight

1612
01:21:36,420 --> 01:21:30,030
three you know what do you think that

1613
01:21:38,940 --> 01:21:36,430
you would consider the all-out evidence

1614
01:21:43,860 --> 01:21:38,950
that someone could gather you know I

1615
01:21:46,980 --> 01:21:43,870
mean a crashed UFO I mean yeah you know

1616
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:46,990
I mean that's it's a lot of the reason

1617
01:21:51,030 --> 01:21:48,250
why a lot of people won't take this

1618
01:21:53,070 --> 01:21:51,040
seriously is because you know it's it's

1619
01:21:55,500 --> 01:21:53,080
a fleet something fleeting you know we

1620
01:21:56,850 --> 01:21:55,510
and then we're gonna get to the point

1621
01:22:00,750 --> 01:21:56,860
where we're not gonna be able to believe

1622
01:22:03,870 --> 01:22:00,760
you know images or video any longer and

1623
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:03,880
what do you do then you know I think we

1624
01:22:09,570 --> 01:22:06,490
haven't really gone forward we have been

1625
01:22:12,180 --> 01:22:09,580
going backwards because of the technique

1626
01:22:14,700 --> 01:22:12,190
the technicalities and the problems with

1627
01:22:17,900 --> 01:22:14,710
where the films are the hoaxing and what

1628
01:22:20,670 --> 01:22:17,910
you can do with your film camera today

1629
01:22:23,970 --> 01:22:20,680
so it comes down to that you must find

1630
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:23,980
something and the piece of something

1631
01:22:29,729 --> 01:22:25,570
really

1632
01:22:33,149 --> 01:22:29,739
and from that see something completely

1633
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:33,159
new we didn't know before because

1634
01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:35,290
witnesses are very very interested

1635
01:22:41,700 --> 01:22:38,980
interesting but they don't prove

1636
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:41,710
anything else then that we have

1637
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:44,920
something to investigate mmm and that we

1638
01:22:48,510 --> 01:22:46,690
know we don't have some really really

1639
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:48,520
interesting things to investigate I mean

1640
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:50,650
I met with three DS fire departments

1641
01:22:57,149 --> 01:22:53,530
where four try to chase those things in

1642
01:22:59,640 --> 01:22:57,159
this guy has seen them on radar and of

1643
01:23:03,569 --> 01:22:59,650
course we had their stories but we don't

1644
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:03,579
have their radar recordings that is a

1645
01:23:11,310 --> 01:23:06,730
problem and we really need all those

1646
01:23:13,770 --> 01:23:11,320
pieces to get past UFOs just being very

1647
01:23:16,830 --> 01:23:13,780
very strange stories to be something

1648
01:23:20,010 --> 01:23:16,840
that science could really get their

1649
01:23:24,450 --> 01:23:20,020
hands on right you mentioned earlier

1650
01:23:26,609 --> 01:23:24,460
about TTS a and their meta materials or

1651
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:26,619
whatever it is they think that they they

1652
01:23:32,669 --> 01:23:30,369
have their and I know there was this

1653
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:32,679
situation with arts parts I don't know

1654
01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:35,530
if you ever heard of those art belt I

1655
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:37,420
think Linda Moulton Howe had something

1656
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:40,810
to do with that as well as these parts

1657
01:23:46,410 --> 01:23:43,840
are supposedly from a crashed saucer and

1658
01:23:49,140 --> 01:23:46,420
part of the material ended up being

1659
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:49,150
radiator foil I don't know about the

1660
01:23:55,859 --> 01:23:52,239
rest of it and if that's what TTS a has

1661
01:24:00,990 --> 01:23:55,869
or they have more I don't really know

1662
01:24:04,770 --> 01:24:01,000
but well radiator forward is not very

1663
01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:04,780
strange is it yeah I mean but this was I

1664
01:24:09,930 --> 01:24:07,110
think in the 90s when art Bell got

1665
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:09,940
received these things I'm not sure

1666
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:12,610
exactly when but but it's pretty pretty

1667
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:15,489
much you know that's pretty much

1668
01:24:20,700 --> 01:24:17,380
documented that's what part of that

1669
01:24:22,410 --> 01:24:20,710
stuff is and it was all found in one

1670
01:24:25,109 --> 01:24:22,420
area so maybe there's something else in

1671
01:24:30,209 --> 01:24:25,119
there that that's good has anyone ever

1672
01:24:31,649 --> 01:24:30,219
tried to give your organization anything

1673
01:24:34,530 --> 01:24:31,659
like that that they're saying had

1674
01:24:37,859 --> 01:24:34,540
something to do with the you know trace

1675
01:24:39,450 --> 01:24:37,869
evidence or craft sauce crash sauce or

1676
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:39,460
anything like that

1677
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:43,520
well we do have a couple of things tell

1678
01:24:51,370 --> 01:24:48,320
you a few that are are strangely sort of

1679
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:51,380
strange-looking I should say one of them

1680
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:54,170
are from the late 1950s it was a couple

1681
01:25:00,490 --> 01:24:57,520
of carpenters that were driving a car

1682
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:00,500
outside stuck on northeast of Stockholm

1683
01:25:06,910 --> 01:25:03,770
when they saw this object coming down

1684
01:25:09,220 --> 01:25:06,920
from the sky and their car stalled

1685
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:09,230
and they were standing there looking at

1686
01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:12,650
this orbit hanging in front of them and

1687
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,350
suddenly the object went away and the

1688
01:25:20,350 --> 01:25:17,600
car started that the guys went out to

1689
01:25:23,380 --> 01:25:20,360
take a look at the spot where the object

1690
01:25:29,050 --> 01:25:23,390
had and being positioned and they found

1691
01:25:31,450 --> 01:25:29,060
this metal it's a tungsten metal and I

1692
01:25:33,730 --> 01:25:31,460
picked it up it was all hot it was the

1693
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,740
middle of the night it was very very hot

1694
01:25:39,010 --> 01:25:35,840
so it really showed that something had

1695
01:25:41,110 --> 01:25:39,020
heated it and tungsten is not keeping

1696
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:41,120
world's very very long so it should have

1697
01:25:48,580 --> 01:25:45,670
been cold and that has been analyzed

1698
01:25:53,710 --> 01:25:48,590
many many times in the US and in Europe

1699
01:25:56,530 --> 01:25:53,720
and I also put it through an analysis

1700
01:26:00,670 --> 01:25:56,540
here in Sweden and it showed to be a

1701
01:26:04,620 --> 01:26:00,680
very mundane object for certain stone

1702
01:26:07,630 --> 01:26:04,630
object but it was made with the same

1703
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:07,640
problems which they had in the 1950s if

1704
01:26:13,930 --> 01:26:10,070
we study impurities in the metal that

1705
01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:13,940
were in the 1950s so it was not alien in

1706
01:26:17,500 --> 01:26:15,830
any any any way but it showed that

1707
01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:17,510
something had happened because the

1708
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:20,750
warmth of it showed that the object had

1709
01:26:24,850 --> 01:26:22,970
had really been there something had been

1710
01:26:26,140 --> 01:26:24,860
there and stopped the car that's one of

1711
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:26,150
the objects we have have another object

1712
01:26:32,580 --> 01:26:28,810
from the 1950s as well sorry from the

1713
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:32,590
1930s as well that fell from the sky

1714
01:26:39,790 --> 01:26:35,330
from an object for seen in broad

1715
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:39,800
daylight and that is not containing and

1716
01:26:46,900 --> 01:26:43,370
any strange metal or anything else as

1717
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:46,910
well but the story is very strange it's

1718
01:26:52,570 --> 01:26:49,210
found from this glowing globe of light

1719
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:52,580
that was picked up by the fire farmer

1720
01:26:57,550 --> 01:26:55,010
but that that's the only two objects we

1721
01:26:59,620 --> 01:26:57,560
do have to tell you a few Wow

1722
01:27:03,580 --> 01:26:59,630
wow that's amazing I mean you see a lot

1723
01:27:06,490 --> 01:27:03,590
of these UFOs that are dropping

1724
01:27:09,340 --> 01:27:06,500
something you know are dripping or

1725
01:27:11,290 --> 01:27:09,350
whatever you know that's really it

1726
01:27:13,930 --> 01:27:11,300
really is quite bizarre

1727
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:13,940
sorry cholera our call screener didn't

1728
01:27:25,650 --> 01:27:16,880
pick you up up please do please do try

1729
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:25,660
calling back yeah I mean you hear about

1730
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:27,860
like Charles halt

1731
01:27:32,620 --> 01:27:30,050
you know in Rendlesham forest said you

1732
01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:32,630
know he went and tried to figure out

1733
01:27:38,140 --> 01:27:36,500
what he saw that was dripping off of you

1734
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:38,150
know the object if he saw bouncing

1735
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:40,730
through the trees and they couldn't you

1736
01:27:49,930 --> 01:27:44,410
know couldn't really find anything so

1737
01:27:51,670 --> 01:27:49,940
anyway our caller did call back and we

1738
01:27:53,050 --> 01:27:51,680
have Steve on the line from Las Vegas

1739
01:27:57,300 --> 01:27:53,060
welcome to the show Steve you got a

1740
01:28:08,620 --> 01:28:04,330
Stevie you there says he's on air hello

1741
01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:08,630
Steve you there hmm

1742
01:28:15,010 --> 01:28:11,080
I don't hear him do you hear him class

1743
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:15,020
nope no it's showing everything looks

1744
01:28:23,910 --> 01:28:16,730
good on this end I'm not sure what's

1745
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:23,920
going on okay put it back on hold and

1746
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:26,330
well I don't know if there's a problem

1747
01:28:35,220 --> 01:28:31,970
with this system I'll try it again Steve

1748
01:28:40,510 --> 01:28:38,650
looks like I can see the see that he's

1749
01:28:44,110 --> 01:28:40,520
talking but we are not hearing anything

1750
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:44,120
on this end so it looks like we might

1751
01:28:55,900 --> 01:28:47,840
have an issue okay I'll try again okay

1752
01:28:58,300 --> 01:28:55,910
oh there you are Steve yes hi hello yes

1753
01:28:59,620 --> 01:28:58,310
I have a question um I work nights oh I

1754
01:29:01,810 --> 01:28:59,630
just kind of missed a little bit show

1755
01:29:04,570 --> 01:29:01,820
I'm not sure if you covered the topic on

1756
01:29:06,209 --> 01:29:04,580
the subject on my question but my

1757
01:29:08,820 --> 01:29:06,219
question to

1758
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:08,830
you tsarism everything that's been

1759
01:29:12,979 --> 01:29:10,540
happening in the past few years two

1760
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:12,989
years and you apology in the u.s.

1761
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:17,050
started with the military offering new

1762
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:20,290
guidelines to pilots and opening up a

1763
01:29:25,860 --> 01:29:21,850
little bit for the reports and then

1764
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:25,870
comes as you know they're Nimitz

1765
01:29:30,860 --> 01:29:28,719
instant end and everything that's been

1766
01:29:34,260 --> 01:29:30,870
going on in the u.s. past couple years

1767
01:29:35,790 --> 01:29:34,270
would you go go on that I mean why do

1768
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:35,800
you why do you think the government's

1769
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:38,380
opening it up and what do you think

1770
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:42,090
your apology's going here in the US oh

1771
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:45,370
thank you for the questions TV it's very

1772
01:29:49,650 --> 01:29:47,770
interesting a couple of years the last

1773
01:29:51,630 --> 01:29:49,660
couple of years of course because of

1774
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:51,640
what's happened in the United States and

1775
01:29:56,430 --> 01:29:54,610
their films from those u.s. Navy pilots

1776
01:29:59,850 --> 01:29:56,440
or of course shown all over the world

1777
01:30:02,820 --> 01:29:59,860
and I think the most important thing

1778
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:02,830
coming out of this is that this topic is

1779
01:30:09,930 --> 01:30:05,050
taking more and more serious as much so

1780
01:30:13,410 --> 01:30:09,940
many US TV shows now and Muse cost as

1781
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:13,420
well that the anchors and all the people

1782
01:30:18,630 --> 01:30:16,719
involved are taking this serious now so

1783
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:18,640
whatever comes from this it's really

1784
01:30:25,170 --> 01:30:21,850
done something good from that if you

1785
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:25,180
ever gonna know what the Nimitz guys did

1786
01:30:30,630 --> 01:30:28,000
see I'm not sure I'm not sure that the

1787
01:30:33,540 --> 01:30:30,640
Navy knows either I think there is per

1788
01:30:35,670 --> 01:30:33,550
for us we are really and I hope that we

1789
01:30:39,570 --> 01:30:35,680
can get some more information out from

1790
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:39,580
the Navy there their research I mean

1791
01:30:44,550 --> 01:30:42,010
they have done investigations into this

1792
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:44,560
that we have not not seen yet and they

1793
01:30:49,050 --> 01:30:46,690
have said that they will not show but

1794
01:30:53,420 --> 01:30:49,060
hopefully someday they will show that

1795
01:30:58,500 --> 01:30:56,670
thank you so much I won't question do

1796
01:31:02,520 --> 01:30:58,510
you think disclosure could happen in the

1797
01:31:06,110 --> 01:31:02,530
u.s. in any way or around the world from

1798
01:31:10,860 --> 01:31:06,120
another country or any no it means

1799
01:31:13,170 --> 01:31:10,870
really I think that disclosure has

1800
01:31:16,110 --> 01:31:13,180
happened in in many countries already

1801
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:16,120
because there are governments I mean

1802
01:31:20,100 --> 01:31:19,330
there are at least military that gone on

1803
01:31:22,740 --> 01:31:20,110
record

1804
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:22,750
saying that there are things that they

1805
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:25,120
don't know what it is but if you mean

1806
01:31:30,300 --> 01:31:27,010
that they're going to tell that we are

1807
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:30,310
visited on we know what those UFOs are

1808
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:32,170
I'm not sure because I don't show that

1809
01:31:38,340 --> 01:31:35,140
they know either I think they are as

1810
01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:38,350
baffled as we are so I'm not waiting for

1811
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:41,380
any disclosure yet hopefully we will get

1812
01:31:47,010 --> 01:31:43,750
to know more from the governments I

1813
01:31:51,030 --> 01:31:47,020
think they know more than we but no no

1814
01:31:54,060 --> 01:31:51,040
the answer to the question all right

1815
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:54,070
hey Steve thanks for the call oh thank

1816
01:31:57,540 --> 01:31:55,690
you thank you gentlemen very much a

1817
01:31:59,460 --> 01:31:57,550
thank you for both of your hard work in

1818
01:32:04,560 --> 01:31:59,470
you apology we appreciate it

1819
01:32:07,440 --> 01:32:04,570
hey thanks a lot as far as the Nimitz in

1820
01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:07,450
that whole case that that is that is

1821
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:10,150
baffling I think that's probably or it

1822
01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:12,970
could be the one of the biggest cases

1823
01:32:19,130 --> 01:32:16,810
you know it definitely has been for many

1824
01:32:22,170 --> 01:32:19,140
many years one of the bigger cases

1825
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:22,180
because of the witnesses the quality of

1826
01:32:26,820 --> 01:32:24,910
the witnesses the military involved and

1827
01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:26,830
all that and then the Navy actually

1828
01:32:31,950 --> 01:32:29,470
changing a few policies based around

1829
01:32:34,470 --> 01:32:31,960
that and there's one very interesting

1830
01:32:38,550 --> 01:32:34,480
thing within the Nimitz observations

1831
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:38,560
that during those days all those

1832
01:32:45,150 --> 01:32:42,910
observations several witnesses were

1833
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:45,160
telling about those objects coming down

1834
01:32:53,160 --> 01:32:50,290
very fast from very high twenty a thirty

1835
01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:53,170
thousand feet or something like two more

1836
01:32:58,770 --> 01:32:56,560
and coming down to the sea and maybe

1837
01:33:01,170 --> 01:32:58,780
going up again very fast and I've seen

1838
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:01,180
the same here in Sweden when are you a

1839
01:33:05,730 --> 01:33:01,690
pilot

1840
01:33:08,850 --> 01:33:05,740
so in 1977 chased one of those objects

1841
01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:08,860
out in the Baltic area because he told

1842
01:33:13,740 --> 01:33:11,070
me that he when he approached the object

1843
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:13,750
suddenly started to climb and he was

1844
01:33:19,940 --> 01:33:16,510
trying to get closer to it but he was

1845
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:19,950
out flown by it and the object vanished

1846
01:33:27,810 --> 01:33:24,730
suddenly around well I think it was at

1847
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:27,820
least 40,000 meters or something like

1848
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:30,310
that he couldn't see it anymore on his

1849
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:32,290
radar screen it was traveling right out

1850
01:33:36,740 --> 01:33:34,110
into space as it old

1851
01:33:39,020 --> 01:33:36,750
well the same thing you saw in the

1852
01:33:42,080 --> 01:33:39,030
Nimitz store is really the objects

1853
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:42,090
moving like that like dropping and going

1854
01:33:48,020 --> 01:33:45,510
up very very fast do we have a as far as

1855
01:33:51,140 --> 01:33:48,030
you know I mean I don't know what

1856
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:51,150
government or all governments have any

1857
01:33:56,810 --> 01:33:54,300
type of scanning you know satellites up

1858
01:33:58,970 --> 01:33:56,820
you know high high in the altitude where

1859
01:34:02,540 --> 01:33:58,980
you know if objects were coming in from

1860
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:02,550
say you know out in the solar system

1861
01:34:07,070 --> 01:34:05,010
somewhere that we'd actually be able to

1862
01:34:10,540 --> 01:34:07,080
detect them it seems like they would we

1863
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:10,550
would have that capability and if some

1864
01:34:15,620 --> 01:34:12,930
they're all satellites out there that

1865
01:34:19,160 --> 01:34:15,630
can see bow lights coming in from outer

1866
01:34:24,710 --> 01:34:19,170
space and going into the atmosphere I

1867
01:34:27,110 --> 01:34:24,720
mean large meteors that we we know that

1868
01:34:30,860 --> 01:34:27,120
and things start at our top is from time

1869
01:34:33,710 --> 01:34:30,870
to time and and the most many of the US

1870
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:33,720
spy satellites can see things like that

1871
01:34:38,870 --> 01:34:37,110
as well so they could probably see other

1872
01:34:40,730 --> 01:34:38,880
orbits as well if they are coming in

1873
01:34:44,930 --> 01:34:40,740
from outside the atmosphere and and

1874
01:34:47,780 --> 01:34:44,940
going into into earth yeah I mean I'm

1875
01:34:49,730 --> 01:34:47,790
just wondering if there was any thing

1876
01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:49,740
like that happening during the Nimitz

1877
01:34:54,350 --> 01:34:51,980
Encounters if there was any type of

1878
01:34:56,540 --> 01:34:54,360
documentation you know because it would

1879
01:34:58,640 --> 01:34:56,550
seem like the Navy would have access to

1880
01:35:01,520 --> 01:34:58,650
that if they were really investigating

1881
01:35:03,980 --> 01:35:01,530
this well I think most of the American

1882
01:35:05,540 --> 01:35:03,990
spy satellites are not over the US

1883
01:35:07,940 --> 01:35:05,550
territory I mean say I'm looking for

1884
01:35:09,980 --> 01:35:07,950
something else now mister so yeah so the

1885
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:09,990
best pictures are probably not there

1886
01:35:17,780 --> 01:35:13,770
they are over the North Korea Iran or

1887
01:35:21,470 --> 01:35:17,790
whatever right yeah I get that he's

1888
01:35:23,630 --> 01:35:21,480
probably right and as far as a the

1889
01:35:26,900 --> 01:35:23,640
Nimitz case in particular I know there

1890
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:26,910
was this this guy that was you know

1891
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:29,850
claiming to be in the Air Force

1892
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:32,490
intelligence and saying that the Air

1893
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:37,050
Force was actually trying to see what

1894
01:35:42,530 --> 01:35:39,290
the Navy would come up with with their

1895
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:42,540
you know secret craft that drones or

1896
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:43,920
whatever was there flying I don't know

1897
01:35:48,930 --> 01:35:46,530
if you followed any of that I didn't buy

1898
01:35:51,490 --> 01:35:48,940
it I don't know

1899
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:51,500
what has happened in the last few weeks

1900
01:35:58,270 --> 01:35:55,850
as far as that whole thing goes but have

1901
01:36:00,700 --> 01:35:58,280
you heard anything about that he was

1902
01:36:03,850 --> 01:36:00,710
claiming the air these were I heard

1903
01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:03,860
about it but I'm a little skeptical

1904
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:06,409
about that as well as you are but I

1905
01:36:11,229 --> 01:36:08,060
think it's interesting it that US Air

1906
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,239
Force has not came up with new roads

1907
01:36:16,510 --> 01:36:13,360
just the u.s. Navy they have been quite

1908
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:16,520
exactly that they doing something else I

1909
01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:18,770
mean I don't know why because you know

1910
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:20,750
ser force should say something in this

1911
01:36:26,530 --> 01:36:23,360
as well you would think at least yeah I

1912
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:26,540
mean they're the protectors of our skies

1913
01:36:34,290 --> 01:36:31,610
here yeah absolutely so I mean a two

1914
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:34,300
different entities so of your army that

1915
01:36:42,729 --> 01:36:40,489
give quite mixed positions yeah yeah it

1916
01:36:45,459 --> 01:36:42,739
a lot of that doesn't make any sense and

1917
01:36:49,149 --> 01:36:45,469
like I said in the beginning it's almost

1918
01:36:54,669 --> 01:36:49,159
as baffling as the UFO topic you know in

1919
01:36:58,270 --> 01:36:54,679
general yeah but but it does seem it

1920
01:37:04,290 --> 01:36:58,280
does seem promising to me anyway yeah to

1921
01:37:09,129 --> 01:37:04,300
me as well absolutely yeah and as far as

1922
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:09,139
when you do a talk and a lecture and you

1923
01:37:12,430 --> 01:37:11,449
have you know people ask questions at

1924
01:37:13,660 --> 01:37:12,440
the end I'm sure yet

1925
01:37:16,660 --> 01:37:13,670
that's probably what happens there I

1926
01:37:19,590 --> 01:37:16,670
would assume what do you say when

1927
01:37:21,580 --> 01:37:19,600
someone says well are they aliens or

1928
01:37:24,910 --> 01:37:21,590
something like that what do you say what

1929
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,920
do you how do you answer that I'm

1930
01:37:29,950 --> 01:37:27,199
telling them that we don't know that I

1931
01:37:33,879 --> 01:37:29,960
mean we are so many reports or entities

1932
01:37:36,430 --> 01:37:33,889
other entities as well should look

1933
01:37:39,430 --> 01:37:36,440
through the history we've got so many

1934
01:37:42,939 --> 01:37:39,440
folklore entities that were taking for

1935
01:37:45,850 --> 01:37:42,949
granted just maybe 150 years back 100

1936
01:37:49,379 --> 01:37:45,860
years hundred years back they are more

1937
01:37:54,660 --> 01:37:49,389
if they were more reported than today's

1938
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:54,670
aliens I don't really see any

1939
01:38:01,060 --> 01:37:57,530
distinction between the fault or

1940
01:38:01,569 --> 01:38:01,070
entities and the aliens I think we could

1941
01:38:06,459 --> 01:38:01,579
have

1942
01:38:09,939 --> 01:38:06,469
end it could be something to do with

1943
01:38:13,890 --> 01:38:09,949
with ourselves it could be some physical

1944
01:38:17,950 --> 01:38:13,900
part of it as well I mean I get today

1945
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:17,960
reports of gnomes here in Sweden and

1946
01:38:27,010 --> 01:38:24,530
else really yeah and so they actually

1947
01:38:29,830 --> 01:38:27,020
call contact your organization for

1948
01:38:32,770 --> 01:38:29,840
something like that I mean I've written

1949
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:32,780
so many books some people read my books

1950
01:38:37,229 --> 01:38:34,159
and I know what I'm interested in all of

1951
01:38:41,010 --> 01:38:37,239
this so they write to me and Heine

1952
01:38:43,810 --> 01:38:41,020
yes I get many many stories about

1953
01:38:46,180 --> 01:38:43,820
meetings with entities so different

1954
01:38:50,859 --> 01:38:46,190
kinds I mean I went to a church here in

1955
01:38:53,919 --> 01:38:50,869
Sweden and where people met Virgin Mary

1956
01:38:56,770 --> 01:38:53,929
and they had seen her for a couple of

1957
01:39:00,700 --> 01:38:56,780
days so I went there it was a Jewish

1958
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:00,710
mass 2,000 people attending and suddenly

1959
01:39:05,140 --> 01:39:02,570
people started to see Virgin Mary

1960
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,150
outside the window and they were taking

1961
01:39:09,760 --> 01:39:07,520
pictures and everyone were leaning out

1962
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:09,770
trying to see her and I was there I

1963
01:39:14,290 --> 01:39:12,530
didn't see anything but afterwards

1964
01:39:17,049 --> 01:39:14,300
people were telling me what they have

1965
01:39:20,290 --> 01:39:17,059
seen and I really had seen something

1966
01:39:25,750 --> 01:39:20,300
that they thought were a real person the

1967
01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:25,760
Virgin so it's hard to tell when people

1968
01:39:30,549 --> 01:39:27,530
are telling you stories but really

1969
01:39:32,109 --> 01:39:30,559
happened Wow interesting looks like we

1970
01:39:34,419 --> 01:39:32,119
have a caller from your neck of the

1971
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:34,429
woods Patrick Johnson from Sweden

1972
01:39:44,250 --> 01:39:38,960
welcome to the show Patrick thank you

1973
01:39:57,129 --> 01:39:49,810
Sweden yes can you hear me oh yes yeah

1974
01:40:02,740 --> 01:39:57,139
hey thanks for calling up yeah I was

1975
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:02,750
about one year ago going outside a

1976
01:40:08,740 --> 01:40:06,010
sequence in Sweden south of Sweden and

1977
01:40:12,040 --> 01:40:08,750
yeah I was going out later tonight

1978
01:40:15,339 --> 01:40:12,050
absolutely and I remember I was sending

1979
01:40:20,530 --> 01:40:15,349
this info to Europe of freedom

1980
01:40:23,350 --> 01:40:20,540
plus one and it's what I is you know the

1981
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:23,360
International Space Station and I could

1982
01:40:28,270 --> 01:40:26,090
see that when they're in there yeah

1983
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:28,280
maybe you remember it because I don't

1984
01:40:37,870 --> 01:40:33,250
know that's all yeah you do yeah but but

1985
01:40:40,030 --> 01:40:37,880
the thing I thought was so so amazing it

1986
01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:40,040
was when it was disappearing

1987
01:40:47,589 --> 01:40:43,730
something came back and then I just saw

1988
01:40:51,100 --> 01:40:47,599
something a light gone back when the eye

1989
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:51,110
is was vanishing from the sky

1990
01:40:59,379 --> 01:40:53,650
something came back and then it just

1991
01:41:04,629 --> 01:40:59,389
popped right up in the sky in in an

1992
01:41:08,350 --> 01:41:04,639
amazing speed it's one of the same for

1993
01:41:12,250 --> 01:41:08,360
the same track to Rebecca yes yeah yes

1994
01:41:15,490 --> 01:41:12,260
exactly exactly just like a behind it

1995
01:41:19,569 --> 01:41:15,500
actually so what the left a little bit

1996
01:41:20,290 --> 01:41:19,579
and it was so amazing now I did did call

1997
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:20,300
it work

1998
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:24,880
later tonight and I did call my brother

1999
01:41:30,490 --> 01:41:28,250
and woke him up and just ER I saw I saw

2000
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:30,500
a UFO because you say you thought

2001
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:32,449
because I couldn't it was a flying

2002
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:35,449
saucer I couldn't say that because it

2003
01:41:44,319 --> 01:41:38,690
was an identical flying objects and it

2004
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:44,329
was amazing again and I I know those

2005
01:41:51,609 --> 01:41:46,690
kind of strange things because since

2006
01:41:54,280 --> 01:41:51,619
2001 I have driven a site called the

2007
01:42:00,430 --> 01:41:54,290
spoke weapon or called ghost webbing

2008
01:42:06,970 --> 01:42:00,440
English investigate activities so I

2009
01:42:13,149 --> 01:42:06,980
estatua things in 2001 and I have a

2010
01:42:16,959 --> 01:42:13,159
thing captured in videos so I know I saw

2011
01:42:18,819 --> 01:42:16,969
this and it was amazing what you're

2012
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:18,829
telling me is very interesting I mean

2013
01:42:21,879 --> 01:42:20,449
it's very hard to tell of course what it

2014
01:42:25,209 --> 01:42:21,889
could have been but I mean now you

2015
01:42:26,649 --> 01:42:25,219
understand that you really remember this

2016
01:42:28,660 --> 01:42:26,659
because it was so strange

2017
01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:28,670
yeah

2018
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:33,350
this story I appreciate it I I have to

2019
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:35,600
tell

2020
01:42:41,979 --> 01:42:38,640
I actually I thought I was seeing the

2021
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:41,989
International Space Station - one night

2022
01:42:46,630 --> 01:42:45,170
I was out several years ago I lived on a

2023
01:42:51,100 --> 01:42:46,640
golf course

2024
01:42:52,900 --> 01:42:51,110
night and I was looking up I was walking

2025
01:42:54,669 --> 01:42:52,910
the dog and I was looking up and I saw I

2026
01:42:57,550 --> 01:42:54,679
said that has to be the International

2027
01:43:00,820 --> 01:42:57,560
Space Station it's so big and you know

2028
01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:00,830
the lights very bright it was a very

2029
01:43:06,820 --> 01:43:03,290
bright but but all of a sudden it moved

2030
01:43:08,860 --> 01:43:06,830
sideways and then I said no I can't have

2031
01:43:09,490 --> 01:43:08,870
another UFO meeting no one will take me

2032
01:43:12,490 --> 01:43:09,500
seriously

2033
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:12,500
so I don't know what it was it might

2034
01:43:18,490 --> 01:43:15,130
have been atmospheric or something but

2035
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:18,500
anyway that was a that was interesting I

2036
01:43:23,740 --> 01:43:21,650
don't really know what it was but it's

2037
01:43:26,770 --> 01:43:23,750
very hard to tell what the lights in

2038
01:43:28,110 --> 01:43:26,780
this guy could be insiders attack yeah

2039
01:43:33,220 --> 01:43:28,120
it isn't

2040
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:33,230
patro thank you thank you for you yeah

2041
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:35,810
thank you very much and have a nice day

2042
01:43:43,930 --> 01:43:42,530
yeah yeah yeah yeah thank you very much

2043
01:43:53,140 --> 01:43:43,940
it's time for you go to bed it's two

2044
01:43:56,290 --> 01:43:53,150
o'clock in the morning all right we have

2045
01:43:59,140 --> 01:43:56,300
about seven minutes or so left so if

2046
01:44:01,000 --> 01:43:59,150
anyone wants to give a ring you can do

2047
01:44:04,870 --> 01:44:01,010
so otherwise I'm taking down the number

2048
01:44:08,770 --> 01:44:04,880
four pretty soon here so what's next on

2049
01:44:14,140 --> 01:44:08,780
the on your agenda you say right up okay

2050
01:44:16,060 --> 01:44:14,150
gear must have something planned I'm

2051
01:44:19,150 --> 01:44:16,070
writing a book about things that fall

2052
01:44:23,169 --> 01:44:19,160
from the sky right now it would be

2053
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:23,179
published in September so I mean it

2054
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:25,730
could be anity it could be meteorites it

2055
01:44:32,169 --> 01:44:29,570
couldn't be a frogs fish it could be

2056
01:44:34,540 --> 01:44:32,179
radiation from the Sun things that

2057
01:44:36,729 --> 01:44:34,550
affect human beings and the Earth's that

2058
01:44:39,370 --> 01:44:36,739
sounds nice falls from the sky 8:14

2059
01:44:42,370 --> 01:44:39,380
stuff and I think you'd be very

2060
01:44:46,450 --> 01:44:42,380
interesting read that's my main topic

2061
01:44:48,010 --> 01:44:46,460
but also your for Sweden is 50 years in

2062
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:48,020
April Wow

2063
01:44:56,040 --> 01:44:51,050
which we will have three-day conference

2064
01:44:59,760 --> 01:44:56,050
and exhibition with Chris all back with

2065
01:45:03,850 --> 01:44:59,770
the big guy who knows everything about

2066
01:45:06,850 --> 01:45:03,860
UFOs before 1947

2067
01:45:10,060 --> 01:45:06,860
he will be giving a talk and also Dave

2068
01:45:13,450 --> 01:45:10,070
Clark who was the British yeah professor

2069
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:13,460
who saved the files from destruction

2070
01:45:19,270 --> 01:45:16,730
when it comes to the British defense UFO

2071
01:45:21,220 --> 01:45:19,280
FILES so both of them will be here in

2072
01:45:24,490 --> 01:45:21,230
Sweden giving talks and we will open a

2073
01:45:26,500 --> 01:45:24,500
few for everyone to visit as well so

2074
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:26,510
that is also a very big thing for us and

2075
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:29,210
going to Britain again to save some more

2076
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:32,320
stuff in April

2077
01:45:38,530 --> 01:45:34,850
what type of storage base do you have

2078
01:45:41,740 --> 01:45:38,540
there you must have a lot you know we

2079
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:41,750
have a bob record with the publisher

2080
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:45,110
what's the publisher of 14 times we live

2081
01:45:50,500 --> 01:45:47,360
is in his house in the north of London

2082
01:45:53,410 --> 01:45:50,510
and his basement is a storage place for

2083
01:45:57,940 --> 01:45:53,420
everything bring there and after that we

2084
01:46:00,520 --> 01:45:57,950
send it by our lorry to Sweden so I see

2085
01:46:06,010 --> 01:46:00,530
that's the that's the plan this time

2086
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:06,020
again Wow well interesting and and so if

2087
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:09,170
if someone actually had something they

2088
01:46:15,790 --> 01:46:12,560
wanted to donate to you they could reach

2089
01:46:17,800 --> 01:46:15,800
out to you basically and what do you

2090
01:46:22,890 --> 01:46:17,810
tell them as far as you know how these

2091
01:46:27,010 --> 01:46:22,900
things are cared for we are very very

2092
01:46:29,770 --> 01:46:27,020
skilled we're taking care of of material

2093
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:29,780
the people sense to us we have done this

2094
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:36,490
since 1973 and we are they are very very

2095
01:46:45,310 --> 01:46:42,010
you can say we don't throw anything away

2096
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:45,320
everything is saved and if something is

2097
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:48,890
broken we mend it so if anyone wants to

2098
01:46:54,670 --> 01:46:50,840
get in contact with a a few you have all

2099
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:54,680
the contacts under a few dr. C and we

2100
01:46:59,020 --> 01:46:56,090
also need of course donation

2101
01:47:02,020 --> 01:46:59,030
for more money to keep us running - to

2102
01:47:05,110 --> 01:47:02,030
help you out there to get information

2103
01:47:06,340 --> 01:47:05,120
from us that is the most important thing

2104
01:47:08,530 --> 01:47:06,350
right now we're looking for a new

2105
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:08,540
locality to move to so we can have one

2106
01:47:15,340 --> 01:47:12,320
roof over everything we have instead of

2107
01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:15,350
14 different localities and if we can do

2108
01:47:21,190 --> 01:47:17,780
that we would have a museum there as

2109
01:47:23,250 --> 01:47:21,200
well and be more efficient in scanning

2110
01:47:26,890 --> 01:47:23,260
and more efficient in helping people

2111
01:47:29,170 --> 01:47:26,900
yeah when you scan I mean scanning it

2112
01:47:33,250 --> 01:47:29,180
just takes so long doesn't it so much

2113
01:47:35,080 --> 01:47:33,260
time it does at one point we had several

2114
01:47:36,970 --> 01:47:35,090
people doing the scan is right now we

2115
01:47:39,970 --> 01:47:36,980
only have one or I should say two

2116
01:47:42,100 --> 01:47:39,980
because one of our board members is

2117
01:47:47,230 --> 01:47:42,110
doing a huge scanning project at his

2118
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:47,240
house as well but two people are good

2119
01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:50,000
that it should be ten people yeah

2120
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:52,060
because we are scan maybe three percent

2121
01:47:57,670 --> 01:47:54,560
of everything we have we have millions

2122
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:57,680
of things that we want to scan but we

2123
01:48:02,490 --> 01:48:00,800
haven't had time to do well millions of

2124
01:48:07,300 --> 01:48:02,500
things see ya

2125
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:07,310
Wow excellent well so we are right at

2126
01:48:12,490 --> 01:48:10,130
the end of our show and I want to thank

2127
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:12,500
you so much class as as always it's

2128
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:14,570
always a lot of fun to speak with you

2129
01:48:18,910 --> 01:48:17,450
and I know you stayed up really late and

2130
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:18,920
I wanted to let you know I really do

2131
01:48:22,570 --> 01:48:19,730
appreciate that

2132
01:48:25,090 --> 01:48:22,580
oh it's not the problem I'm glad to be

2133
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:25,100
on your show and it's pressure really

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yeah you're one of the people I consider

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a friend that I've you know have met

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through this crazy topic absolutely the

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very same tell you about it yes already

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say all right you take care take care as

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well all right luck with your show all

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right thanks a lot okay good night

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alright everyone so that is it for our

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show this evening next week we have a

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Chris O'Brien is gonna be back with us

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so that should he's always a character

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should be a lot of fun so tune in next

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week for that and again I want to thank

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everyone that helps out with the show

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and remember anyone can support the show

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go over to podcast UFO comm all that

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there and our t-shirts are for sale also

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so t-shirts and all types of things with

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so anyway check that out and again we'll

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be back next week and remember to keep